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So something pretty interesting popped up on SisoftSandra database recently, a very large APU that has the branding of AMD’s next generation avian roadmap. Codenamed ‘Fenghuang’, this APU houses a very large number of CUs (28 to be exact) with roughly 1792 SPs making it one of the largest APUs we have seen so far. This appears to be the APU for Desktop that we know has been in the pipeline for quite a while now.
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"For desktop" - WCCF skillfully misses the entire point, which are low power laptops and AIOs without dedicated cards, much like Kaby Lake-G. I expect no less from them.

On an unrelated note, clocking a Vega GPU much below 1 GHz on 14 nm is entirely pointless because the voltage scaling stops and the only thing that goes down is performance. Clocks around 1050-1150 MHz seem most likely. Performance should be somewhere around RX 570 levels, probably a bit under.
Edited by Tojara - 12/13/17 at 8:17am
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2GB HBM maybe? But the reported clocks are weird. 2400Mhz and 555Mhz. The lower ones should be the memory speed, but the other seem like DDR RAM speeds.
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*heavy breathing*

This is what we've been waiting for folks
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I wonder what's going on with the readings there. Maybe the way the memory is addressed is making Sandra read the frequency values for the system memory, since 2400MHz HBM2 is not even available on 300W desktop cards, much less SoCs. I also wonder if it may be misidentified in the software as being GDDR5 (quad-pumped) and the actual value is 1200MHz effective, which while low for a release part would make sense for an engineering sample or low wattage SKU. If true the 2GB capacity is also slightly disappointing, positioning AMD's own SoC behind the i7-880xG, though results will be interesting with HBCC etc.

Exciting times ahead. This sheds insight on that "Ryzen Gaming" thing slated for Q2 in the leaked roadmap.
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Can't wait to replace this r5 with this.
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Skeptical of its viability.
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Skeptical of its viability.

I picture a nuc-sized device being able to game at 1080p60fps. Better than console performance (at 1080p at least due to CPU being like 3x as fast lol) at a fraction of the size. Or a gaming laptop that can enable dual graphics and have over 3k sp's. Who knows what they will do with it/how they will market it, but this has been the first time in AMD's history that they have been able leverage their ATI purchase to create a chip that no other competitor can. Previous APU's were decent, and almost always superior to Intel's integrated solutions, but a chip like this one isn't even on the same graph.
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I wonder what's going on with the readings there. Maybe the way the memory is addressed is making Sandra read the frequency values for the system memory, since 2400MHz HBM2 is not even available on 300W desktop cards, much less SoCs. I also wonder if it may be misidentified in the software as being GDDR5 (quad-pumped) and the actual value is 1200MHz effective, which while low for a release part would make sense for an engineering sample or low wattage SKU. If true the 2GB capacity is also slightly disappointing, positioning AMD's own SoC behind the i7-880xG, though results will be interesting with HBCC etc.

Exciting times ahead. This sheds insight on that "Ryzen Gaming" thing slated for Q2 in the leaked roadmap.

I agree with you there but I'd like to add something.

This chip is said to be "Server/Workstation" class GPU. which means we might see an Epyc-like CPU with half of the die's dedicated to graphics. I dont know what the market for that is but maybe.



Raven Ridge with 11CU's and CCX

Fitting 28 CU's and a CCX might be a bit difficult but not impossible. The routing of additional GDDR paths though... Yikes. Maybe HBM with severely misread clockspeeds and bus width? A high end mobile chip that competes with intel?!
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I agree with you there but I'd like to add something.

This chip is said to be "Server/Workstation" class GPU. which means we might see an Epyc-like CPU with half of the die's dedicated to graphics. I dont know what the market for that is but maybe.

I figured it could easily be an error, though what you're saying is definitely far from impossible. It will be interesting to see the performance per watt and per area offered here versus using NVIDIA dedicated compute cards... Though I think this technology will likely find its greatest success in the consumer realm.
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Raven Ridge with 11CU's and CCX

Fitting 28 CU's and a CCX might be a bit difficult but not impossible. The routing of additional GDDR paths though... Yikes. Maybe HBM with severely misread clockspeeds and bus width? A high end mobile chip that competes with intel?!

The CCX itself is only 44mm^2. Raven Ridge also only has half the L3 cache of Summit Ridge, which comes in at 192mm^2. With only 28 CU it ought to be able to fit at, or maybe even under, 300mm^2. I highly doubt the use of GDDR as it's unsuited for a CPU/SoC package, and Kaby Lake-G uses HBM2 despite having fewer compute units (24). The 32-bit bus is without a doubt a misread so the entirety of that set of data is in question.
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