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Originally Posted by CynicalUnicorn View Post

Let's break it down. $5000 entry-level. What's it have?

  • 8-core Xeon W, 3.2GHz base/4.2GHz turbo. The only such 8-core Xeon now is the W-2145 with a price tag of a bit over $1100
  • AMD Radeon Pro Vega 56. Radeon Pro costs about 2.5x as much as the consumer equivalents, and I think Vega Frontier Edition is an appropriate comparison here. $1000 gets you a Vega 64 clone, while Vega 56 had an MSRP of $400. Let's call it $700 then, the middle value, though you will be spending more in a custom system for the full functionality.
  • 32GB of DDR4-2666. Not particularly fast or fancy, but it is ECC. PC Part Picker shows the cheapest such memory costing $10 per gigabyte, so call that $300 after rounding down for convenience.
  • 1TB NVMe SSD. There's a chance this is crap, but Apple isn't known to cheap out on their storage. A Samsung 960 PRO is currently available for $620 and is not an improbable choice.
  • 10GbE is the new hotness in networking. A Black Friday sale put one such NIC at $60 for a single-port controller, but typically they're around $150 and worth every penny for some users.
  • Not one, not two, but four Thunderbolt 3 ports. Hard to tell what this would cost aftermarket, but I'm going to call it $200. That might not be right though, and if Apple is using separate PCIe x4 links per Tbolt port that will drive the cost up.
  • 5K monitor. Here's a big one. Cheap examples I've found are $1000. Apple does not cheap out on the display.
  • Now, if you're making a custom system, you'll need other parts too: SFF case, SFF motherboard, and power supply. $400 for good quality components.

Tally that up. A custom build that might emulate an iMac Pro's specs would set you back almost $4500, and you don't get to use OS X on it nor do you get the AIO form-factor.

So the Apple tax is a mere 10%, and that covers labor, quality control, OS installation, and the ability to use real UNIX. Seems like a fair price to me. thumb.gif

+1 for sanity check and leaving fanboyism out the door! applaud.gif
post #52 of 58
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Originally Posted by Hydroplane View Post

I will buy one just to use it as an external monitor smile.gif

Lol but no really, I wonder if they still have that functionality.

The 4K/5K iMacs dont support Target Display Mode and every other model with thunderbolt only works with Macs.

The only reason I refuse to upgrade from my 2010 iMac with miniDPort biggrin.gif
Edited by codesoho - 12/17/17 at 11:09pm
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and every other model with thunderbolt only works with Macs.

If you mean the old thunderbolt cinema displays, it was mainly because at the time, there was barely support for thunderbolt on windows, and no pass-thru display target support.
With thunderbolt 3 and usb-c, with adapting the standard in windows, you can now use it with no problems.
Beside that, all the new displays work fine for windows if the GPU support it. If not, you can use pass-thru add-on cards to run it through a single cable at 5k.
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If you mean the old thunderbolt cinema displays, it was mainly because at the time, there was barely support for thunderbolt on windows, and no pass-thru display target support.
With thunderbolt 3 and usb-c, with adapting the standard in windows, you can now use it with no problems.
Beside that, all the new displays work fine for windows if the GPU support it. If not, you can use pass-thru add-on cards to run it through a single cable at 5k.

I was referring to the 2011-2014 iMac lineup.
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My biggest issue are these... This is aimed at creative professionals, but....

- Since it's aimed at creative professionals, how do you get a decent amount of hard drives in there without having to use a NAS as a primary storage device? Up to 4TB of space can be quickly chewed up by anyone working in 4k or 5k timelines.

Anyone working on professional content should know better than to store it all non-redundantly on their workstation. Small fast storage local + large backed up / redundant storage off-computer.
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Screen is way too small for the price. A 32" would have made me consider one.
I'll stick with my 2010 12 Core Mac pro, Vega Frontier, 64GB with a 40" 4K TV monitor.
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Screen is way too small for the price. A 32" would have made me consider one.
I'll stick with my 2010 12 Core Mac pro, Vega Frontier, 64GB with a 40" 4K TV monitor.

First off, a curved tv is not a good creative work replacement for a monitor for high color and straight line accuracy work. But for each his own. I ca't sit on a desk next to a 40" TV. I will hurt my neck after the first day.

Secondly, apple already have those screens from the iMacs (those are the exact screens), so getting 32" at similar specs (high resolution, P3 color etc), is going to make those screen even more costlier as they will have to order a relatively small amount from my guess LG.
Also, again, personal preference. I think 27 is the right choice as the common used size right now, and if you need more space, there are tons of options.
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Screen is way too small for the price. A 32" would have made me consider one.
I'll stick with my 2010 12 Core Mac pro, Vega Frontier, 64GB with a 40" 4K TV monitor.

compares a 4K consumption device with one of industry's frontier displays

anyone who hasn't worked with resolutions above 4K should reserve judgement until they've done so, imho
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And while ryzen is a good alternative, they don't support daisy chain thunderbolt which apple worked very hard to make with intel.

TB3 is coming to AMD platforms, my Threadripper mobo has a header for it I just hope the drop-in card will be affordable...
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