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It's an interesting take on things, that's for sure. Curious what the price increase is going to be though. Like others have said, it can't be too much more than current drives because otherwise it becomes a case of "solid state is faster and cheaper" which is a bad combination to market against.
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I know the data proves it wrong but my personal experience with SSDs and HDDs leave me to not put anything critical on an SSD.

You should never have only one copy of anything critical as most any storage media can fail without warning.
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2.5" is SSD territory anyway.

I can get 5TB 2.5" mechanical drives for not much over $150 dollars.

SSDs still need a way to go before hitting that territory of price per GB.
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It's an interesting take on things, that's for sure. Curious what the price increase is going to be though. Like others have said, it can't be too much more than current drives because otherwise it becomes a case of "solid state is faster and cheaper" which is a bad combination to market against.

Shouldn't cost too much more to add a second actuator.

I'm guessing the small cost in materials, plus development of firmware to handle things, will translate into a 10-15% bump in retail price per of the first generation of drives.
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I upgraded from a 1 TB WD Black (from 2010) to a 2 TB Black just recently and was wondering just that - why hasn't this been done earlier? They cite costs, but I wonder how much it would have added.

Anyway, this is great, it's like internal RAID, after all. The performance of the new 2 TB drive at first seemed much better (and way more silent), but as soon as I filled it up halfway the sequential speed dropped from 200 MB/s to around 175 MB/s and drops below 170 MB/s with a web browser open with several tabs open and the more it fills up, the slower it gets. The noise while doing random operations also increased practically to the level of the one I was using before (this will probably get worse with multiple actuators unless they use some more sound insulation).

The random performance is also still the big limitation which could be greatly alleviated with multiple actuators - but in that respect, and seeing how capacities are set to increase a lot in coming ears, I would go as far as suggest that for desktops they bring back a long dead form factor (for HDD's) - the 5.25' one. That way they would potentially have space to put up to three / four sets of double actuators in there. We have the desktop cases (well, excluding some fancy new ones), make it happen!

As has been said, I also don't trust SSDs with important data. And the price per GB on an SSD is still too high to replace all HDDs. If I wanted a 2 TB SSD, I'd have to pay at least 600 € for one, but it can go above 700 € for better models. A normal 2 TB HDD costs below 80 € and the WD Black does cost a premium over 100 €, but it's faster and has been a very reliable series for me. And this is for 2 TB capacities, which is nothing extraordinary. You can't even buy higher capacities consumer SSDs anyway.
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Please people, lamenting on HDD death. I just bought an 8TB HDD for $300. Just looked for a 8TB SSD on Amazon.ca, HMMM... NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. For mass storage, you still can't beat an HDD.
 
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I upgraded from a 1 TB WD Black (from 2010) to a 2 TB Black just recently and was wondering just that - why hasn't this been done earlier? They cite costs, but I wonder how much it would have added.

Anyway, this is great, it's like internal RAID, after all. The performance of the new 2 TB drive at first seemed much better (and way more silent), but as soon as I filled it up halfway the sequential speed dropped from 200 MB/s to around 175 MB/s and drops below 170 MB/s with a web browser open with several tabs open and the more it fills up, the slower it gets. The noise while doing random operations also increased practically to the level of the one I was using before (this will probably get worse with multiple actuators unless they use some more sound insulation).

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As has been said, I also don't trust SSDs with important data. And the price per GB on an SSD is still too high to replace all HDDs. If I wanted a 2 TB SSD, I'd have to pay at least 600 € for one, but it can go above 700 € for better models. A normal 2 TB HDD costs below 80 € and the WD Black does cost a premium over 100 €, but it's faster and has been a very reliable series for me. And this is for 2 TB capacities, which is nothing extraordinary. You can't even buy higher capacities consumer SSDs anyway.


You should look into a program called Disktrix / ultimate defrag. Moving the crud you dont use the most into the innerrace of the disk and get back some performance.
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It's an interesting take on things, that's for sure. Curious what the price increase is going to be though. Like others have said, it can't be too much more than current drives because otherwise it becomes a case of "solid state is faster and cheaper" which is a bad combination to market against.

I will definitely be watching on the price. I already have a 6 and a 8TB storage drive, but I still would like another 8TB drive to have on hand for a backup drive (most likely as a mirror backup to the other 8TB drive). Think I will wait to see how these new HDDs cost first.
 
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Interesting. This tech in a 10k Velociraptor would seemingly enable over 400mb/s performance from a traditional drive...creeping pretty close to entry level SSD sustained read/write speeds.

Still won't be anywhere near an SSD in normal use scenarios, but but massive storage arrays this could be a huge leap forward.
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Props to them, but how much does it cost? SSD's are very reasonably priced now a days, so it can't cost much more than a traditional hard drive.
the price of HDD vs SSD in terms of price/terabyte isnt anywhere near.
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Interesting. This tech in a 10k Velociraptor would seemingly enable over 400mb/s performance from a traditional drive...creeping pretty close to entry level SSD sustained read/write speeds.

Still won't be anywhere near an SSD in normal use scenarios, but but massive storage arrays this could be a huge leap forward.
HDD makers should have defaulting consumer desktop HDD at 10k/15K rpm + this technology.

If Seagate/WD want to retain their duopoly, they should put seriously work on HDD speed to keep them relevant. SSD competition is tougher because of a lot of SSD makers out there.
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RAID in a single drive actually sounds like a decent option.
Pay twice as much, get redundancy and double read speed. For consumer applications it's probably more cost efficient than using multiple drives.
Nevermind, the platters aren’t the main mode of failure. We need HDD’s with user swappable platters.

And it avoids the whole mess with motherboard compliance.


EDIT: This could really save a lot headache for next gen consoles. Putting a 2TB SSD in a $500 device isn't an option, but we're going to be moving to 16/32GB RAM in future devices, people need faster drives (and ideally they'll also have 32GB Flash for the OS).
Edited by ILoveHighDPI - 12/18/17 at 3:08pm
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If Seagate/WD want to retain their duopoly, they should put seriously work on HDD speed to keep them relevant.

Speed largely isn't that relevant for mechanical HDDs.

The main niche is bulk storage and archival at this point. Only high end video recording is where that sort of capacity needs that sort of sequential performance without huge random performance.
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