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I'm guessing the small cost in materials, plus development of firmware to handle things, will translate into a 10-15% bump in retail price per of the first generation of drives.

We will see soon enough, but I'm hoping it's only a 5-10% premium simply to try and coax more people into the idea, as it would be a nice natural progression for things with mechanical drives.
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I will definitely be watching on the price. I already have a 6 and a 8TB storage drive, but I still would like another 8TB drive to have on hand for a backup drive (most likely as a mirror backup to the other 8TB drive). Think I will wait to see how these new HDDs cost first.

Agreed! I'm looking to pick up a bunch of mechanical drives over the next year and a half or so (building two NAS boxes for in building backup, HTPC, and adding in RAID 5 or 6 to desktop rigs), so having mechanical drives with capacity AND the ability to handle faster transfers would definitely be nice...
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Interesting. This tech in a 10k Velociraptor would seemingly enable over 400mb/s performance from a traditional drive...creeping pretty close to entry level SSD sustained read/write speeds.

Still won't be anywhere near an SSD in normal use scenarios, but but massive storage arrays this could be a huge leap forward.

Interesting you mention the Velociraptors, as I was kind of thinking the same thing, but without the screaming wail those drives are known for, potentially even slightly faster speeds too.
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This is akin to a dual clutch transmission in a car letting you shift between gears near instantaneously and faster than humanely possible to shift manually, and while that makes sense, this really doesn't. SSDs are cheap these days, far more reliable, and way faster even on SATA.
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This is akin to a dual clutch transmission in a car letting you shift between gears near instantaneously and faster than humanely possible to shift manually, and while that makes sense, this really doesn't. SSDs are cheap these days, far more reliable, and way faster even on SATA.
Still not nearly as cheap as HDD's. There's still a huge market for hard drives and that isn't changing anytime soon. If they can make it faster without too much of a price increase, I would say that is a win.
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You should look into a program called Disktrix / ultimate defrag. Moving the crud you dont use the most into the innerrace of the disk and get back some performance.

Thanks, I know, it was just a general comment on the current mechanical limitation of HDDs that mean that slowdowns are inevitable when you've got a full drive, on a much, much larger scale than with SSDs.

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This is akin to a dual clutch transmission in a car letting you shift between gears near instantaneously and faster than humanely possible to shift manually, and while that makes sense, this really doesn't. SSDs are cheap these days, far more reliable, and way faster even on SATA.

This type of post again that isn't coherent with reality. The fact is that SSDs are way more expensive than HDDs.

Sure, a 256 GB SSD as a boot drive for under 100 € is a must have for a performance desktop in 2017. But large capacities are still very expensive. As I said, a regular 2 TB HDD costs under 80 € right now and a high performance one 100 € +, but a 2 TB SSD can cost anywhere between 600 € and 700 €.

We're not even close to replacing HDDs. Not even close.
 
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Assuming I don't go full SSD by then, something like this could be a neat replacement for my WD blue storage drive.
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There isnt much of a point to this imo. If you need fast storage your going to go SSD. If you need capacity speed usually isnt a concern and SSD's are only going to get cheaper and cheaper. SSD's already beat HDD's in reliability, adding more mechanical parts will only increase the rate at which these HDD's fail.
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still never buying a seagate
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Props to them, but how much does it cost? SSD's are very reasonably priced now a days, so it can't cost much more than a traditional hard drive.

A Western Digital Black 2TB HDD costs you around $150-170 USD on average. The same capacity SSD costs anywhere from $700 to over a thousand.

It's better than before, but nowhere near as reasonably priced as HDDs will ever be.
     
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There isnt much of a point to this imo. If you need fast storage your going to go SSD. If you need capacity speed usually isnt a concern and SSD's are only going to get cheaper and cheaper. SSD's already beat HDD's in reliability, adding more mechanical parts will only increase the rate at which these HDD's fail.


This is the part of the article that matters to answer that:
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Both companies predict their future HDDs will increase beyond 40TB, which means stagnant performance will become one of the biggest challenges.

Increased capacities combined with similar gen-on-gen performance results in a lower IOPS per TB rating, which isn't ideal for data centers. For instance, most 3.5" enterprise HDDs reach ~250MB/s of sequential throughput, so a 40TB HDD would take nearly two days to fill under ideal conditions.

This is needed simply to keep up with increased capacities. SSDs are all fine and dandy until you start to want to buy 1 TB capacities and above. And then there is 4K footage (and 8K later down the road) and games still aren't pushing texture quality to photorealistic levels. Expect a game like GTA V that now uses 65 GB to be using 200 GB in a not too distant future.

Also, back in 2009 this was discussed and Seagate actually owns a patent for a dual actuator HDD, from the time that they bought HDD manufacturer Conner Peripherals.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/seagate-hdd-harddrive,8279.html

8 years ago it was deemed not worth it, but as we can see now, SSDs haven't become cheap or large enough and demand for more storage hasn't stopped. HDDs are the only cost effective way to get 1 TB+ of storage.
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I see, double the moving parts, half the reliability.

This is a neat tech, but it won't be reliable enough to sell anyone on it.
 
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