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Hello everyone, as the title says I need some help. A couple of weeks ago i finally finished my loop upgrade to hardline and everything looks fine except for the cables. The excess cables in the case are a real problem that ruins the aesthetics of my build; also i need to clean up some space in the psu shroud to mount the aquaero that right now is laying on the desk. Anyways you got the point
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. I've never sleeved something before so I need some help to figure out what I have to buy, especially since half of the order will be done on a shop outside Europe (international shipping sucks).




Am I missing something? My PSU is an EVGA 750 P2 and aside for the 24pin, cpu and gpu cables i'll be sleeving 3 single sata (or 1 single and 1 double) and a single molex. Do I need to get more pins, or cable since I'm a beginner? What is the difference between a short and a long sata? Thank you guys in advance!!
 
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Originally Posted by HackerMan46 View Post

Hello everyone, as the title says I need some help. A couple of weeks ago i finally finished my loop upgrade to hardline and everything looks fine except for the cables. The excess cables in the case are a real problem that ruins the aesthetics of my build; also i need to clean up some space in the psu shroud to mount the aquaero that right now is laying on the desk. Anyways you got the point
smile.gif
. I've never sleeved something before so I need some help to figure out what I have to buy, especially since half of the order will be done on a shop outside Europe (international shipping sucks).

Am I missing something? My PSU is an EVGA 750 P2 and aside for the 24pin, cpu and gpu cables i'll be sleeving 3 single sata (or 1 single and 1 double) and a single molex. Do I need to get more pins, or cable since I'm a beginner? What is the difference between a short and a long sata? Thank you guys in advance!!
- ION Sata cables are already sleeved, you might not need the Medium sleeving. You can fit five 22 AWG into a single classic MDPC-X usually Small is all you need.
- you can use 15 AWG can for everything including Sata if you want(Except for fans and such).
- Your missing Female ATX Terminals (To sleeve an entire set you need about 100). You also want extra for any mistakes.
- Make sure whatever motherboard your using only requires one EPS.
- You don't want Short, there designed for very tight spaces.
- I would grab some extra female Molex terminals, Since they can be used to create the double wires.
- The male ATX terminals are only needed if your planning on doing PSU extensions. Since there no Male connectors in the photo I assume your not.
- If your plan on doing any Fans or USB cables or extensions you will need those terminals & connectors. You want to use Sata heatshrink for those cables.

You also might want to check mouser if you want Molex branded connectors & terminals.
 
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- You're totally right on the sata cables, it was a last minute add and i forgot to remove the materials for them.
- So you think is fine to use 15 AWG for everything? I'm still not sure if I will make some custom cables for my fans, since they are already sleeved.
- So I need female ATX, not male? I was convinced I needed males since the connector is male. luckily you pointed it out
- Yes, it has one EPS however i noticed that on my cables the connector is splitted into 2 4 pins connectors. The one that I've selected will work? Also the other end that goes in the psu is an 8 pin pcie or another 8 pin eps? (sorry for these stupid questions, I still need to learn a lot)
- Got it, no short sata.
- Ok for the extra molex pins.
- Molex branded are better quality? Mdpc-x also sells them. I was thinking of SC website because i also need some darkside led strips, and as far as I know they sell quality components.

Thank you so much for your help!
 
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- Molex branded are better quality? Mdpc-x also sells them. I was thinking of SC website because i also need some darkside led strips, and as far as I know they sell quality components.
Indeed get the female pins from MDPC-X, as well as the 24-pin housing for the motherboard. (And maybe the sata stuff too).

For the Darkside stuff ... Highflow.nl might be cheaper shipping for you.

Highflow also sell the black housing for 18/10/8/6-pin connectors. However it is Phobya stuff. So if you buy them, the housings are okay but throw away the pins that come with those.
 
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- You're totally right on the sata cables, it was a last minute add and i forgot to remove the materials for them.
- So you think is fine to use 15 AWG for everything? I'm still not sure if I will make some custom cables for my fans, since they are already sleeved.
- So I need female ATX, not male? I was convinced I needed males since the connector is male. luckily you pointed it out
- Yes, it has one EPS however i noticed that on my cables the connector is splitted into 2 4 pins connectors. The one that I've selected will work? Also the other end that goes in the psu is an 8 pin pcie or another 8 pin eps? (sorry for these stupid questions, I still need to learn a lot)
- Got it, no short sata.
- Ok for the extra molex pins.
- Molex branded are better quality? Mdpc-x also sells them. I was thinking of SC website because i also need some darkside led strips, and as far as I know they sell quality components.

Thank you so much for your help!
- Not 100% sure why you have 23 AWG wiring if your not doing fans/Dupont.
- I've done everything with 16 AWG with the same OD.
- you need all female terminals unless your making extensions.
- The 4+4 is just 8 EPS, stock cables do that in case you have 4 pin EPS. You need EPS connector at both ends.
- Molex is the best you can buy (They just don't make GPU connector, Not sure why).
- DarkSide has great LED's it's what I use too.
 
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Indeed get the female pins from MDPC-X, as well as the 24-pin housing for the motherboard. (And maybe the sata stuff too).

For the Darkside stuff ... Highflow.nl might be cheaper shipping for you.

Highflow also sell the black housing for 18/10/8/6-pin connectors. However it is Phobya stuff. So if you buy them, the housings are okay but throw away the pins that come with those.
Not sure how much HighFlow.nl cost to ship throughout EU but to the US the starting price is 30 dollars.

It's not even really phobya, The connector is made by TKG (Which is ok quality still better then HWT which is the worst branded connector you can buy). Terminals are just some OEM brand. It's like the same OEM brand MFC and few other sleeving shops sell.

The terminals should be ok, they may not be Molex quality but there still better then what Thermaltake uses in there PSU's, I never seen branded PSU with such horrible quality terminals from the stock cables(They can actually become bent inside the connector, (OP uses EVGA which is one best PSU brand you can buy in my opinion).
 
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Indeed get the female pins from MDPC-X, as well as the 24-pin housing for the motherboard. (And maybe the sata stuff too).

For the Darkside stuff ... Highflow.nl might be cheaper shipping for you.

Highflow also sell the black housing for 18/10/8/6-pin connectors. However it is Phobya stuff. So if you buy them, the housings are okay but throw away the pins that come with those.
I'll get the pins at mdpc-x then; however the connectors are really expensive compared to the others, like 4 times the price. There is so much difference in quality to justify the price gap?
Also i can't find molex and sata pins on mdpc-x. As for Highflow I really love their site and service but unfortunately right now they don't have any white 30 cm led strip in stock so they're not an option this time.
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- Not 100% sure why you have 23 AWG wiring if your not doing fans/Dupont.
- I've done everything with 16 AWG with the same OD.
- you need all female terminals unless your making extensions.
- The 4+4 is just 8 EPS, stock cables do that in case you have 4 pin EPS. You need EPS connector at both ends.
- Molex is the best you can buy (They just don't make GPU connector, Not sure why).
- DarkSide has great LED's it's what I use too.
- You're absolutely right, another mistake on my part. Even if i'll decide to do the fans cables i'll just cut them and re-crimp them so no wire needed.
- I'll trust you on this one, 15 AWG only
- What i'm worried about is that on my cable i have a 4+4 with 2 clip to release the two connectors. The one on the website has just 1, will it work the same?
 
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The terminals should be ok, they may not be Molex quality but there still better then what Thermaltake uses in there PSU's, I never seen branded PSU with such horrible quality terminals from the stock cables(They can actually become bent inside the connector, (OP uses EVGA which is one best PSU brand you can buy in my opinion).
The terminals are terrible. I only mention it because I had a terrible experience with them two weeks ago. I had collected them over the years and thought it can't be bad to try them out. But really half the time the inner wing gets sheared off (shorn off?). And if it's not sheared, then folded really sharp like a W. It's like it's brittle somehow compared to the proper ones. Many times I thought it was okay, only to be halfway melting sleeve onto it and suddenly noticing fraying wire strands. I tried several times reseating the crimp dies, one forward, one backward, different tension setting, putting the pin in at different angles, different wire, etc, etc.

In the end I made a new order with Nils and there is just something satisfying from Molex pins and housing with his crimper. They are perfect each time and I even managed easily a few double crimps for sense wires.
 
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The terminals are terrible. I only mention it because I had a terrible experience with them two weeks ago. I had collected them over the years and thought it can't be bad to try them out. But really half the time the inner wing gets sheared off (shorn off?). And if it's not sheared, then folded really sharp like a W. It's like it's brittle somehow compared to the proper ones. Many times I thought it was okay, only to be halfway melting sleeve onto it and suddenly noticing fraying wire strands. I tried several times reseating the crimp dies, one forward, one backward, different tension setting, putting the pin in at different angles, different wire, etc, etc.

In the end I made a new order with Nils and there is just something satisfying from Molex pins and housing with his crimper. They are perfect each time and I even managed easily a few double crimps for sense wires.
It sounds like the wings are to long for the wire and when crimped the wings would just snap. Not sure on the crimper you are using, it could be an issue crimper too.

If you have any of those terminals left check and see if there watermatered at the bottom, It would be interesting to know what brand they are.

JMT or Molex you can't go wrong with ether one. JMT are gold flashed(Similar to Gold plated), where MDPC-X only sells Tin platted (if you want the Molex gold platted version you have to buy them from Mouser). I use JMT connectors for my GPU( You can tell the difference between the two). With Singularity computers make sure shipping price is correct, They usually have to correct the cost for me.

I would suggest buying Sata from MDPC-X since they sell Molex version and there Gold flashed.

Also grab the Pin Removal tool as well. You never know if you have to remove a pin from the connector.
 
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It sounds like the wings are to long for the wire and when crimped the wings would just snap. Not sure on the crimper you are using, it could be an issue crimper too.

If you have any of those terminals left check and see if there watermatered at the bottom, It would be interesting to know what brand they are.
Crimper is black handles (2nd version?) MDPC-X from 2011.

On the left the ones from Nils. Worked perfect first time.

On the right the pins included with Phobya connectors, left inside wing snapped on first attempt. You can see the little shard next to the crimped pin.



Here fuzzy close up. Top is MDPC-X, bottom is Phobya indeed it looks like it has longer inner wings. I can't see any watermarkings on either of the pins. Do you recognise them?

 
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Crimper is black handles (2nd version?) MDPC-X from 2011.

On the left the ones from Nils. Worked perfect first time.

On the right the pins included with Phobya connectors, left inside wing snapped on first attempt. You can see the little shard next to the crimped pin.



Here fuzzy close up. Top is MDPC-X, bottom is Phobya indeed it looks like it has longer inner wings. I can't see any watermarkings on either of the pins. Do you recognise them?

There likely unbranded OEM terminals which you can easily obtain from aliexpress for almost nothing.

The terminals from Phobya are short wing designed for small OD wiring, With the old CTX crimpers I had some of the conductor wings snap off. Using the CTX3 I have yet to have any of conductor wings snap off.

I have a bunch of short wing terminals from JMT and they only work with soft wiring and OD under 2mm anything else it will not crimp the terminal properly. Thankfully singularitycomputers stopped selling them and went with Long Prong version.
 
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Sorry somehow missed your questions
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I'll get the pins at mdpc-x then; however the connectors are really expensive compared to the others, like 4 times the price. There is so much difference in quality to justify the price gap?
Also i can't find molex and sata pins on mdpc-x. As for Highflow I really love their site and service but unfortunately right now they don't have any white 30 cm led strip in stock so they're not an option this time.
- You're absolutely right, another mistake on my part. Even if i'll decide to do the fans cables i'll just cut them and re-crimp them so no wire needed.
- I'll trust you on this one, 15 AWG only
- What i'm worried about is that on my cable i have a 4+4 with 2 clip to release the two connectors. The one on the website has just 1, will it work the same?
About the connectors, for me it's just about being sure I can de-pin them later. When making a 24 pin I often re-pin many times to get the lengths right. When I first sleeved, I struggled with terrible connectors (Mod/Smart was the worst) which could take an hour to de-pin and even sometimes destroy several of the pins. So I don't mind to pay extra for good 24-pin housings.

"Molex" pins are included with the housing at MDPC-X https://www.cable-sleeving.com/molex-connector-female and here https://www.cable-sleeving.com/molex-connector-male
Sata pins also included with the housing https://www.cable-sleeving.com/sata-crimp-connector

The EPS 4+4 and the 8 are mechanically the same.
 
#13 ·
Thank you guys, you're really helping me a lot. I'll update the shopping list basing on your suggestions. One last thing, are icemodz combs good? What is the difference between normal and black ice? Revan in another thread you were talking about alphacool combs, do you think they would be better?
 
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And what tool you use to strip your wire? A lot of people seems to recommend knipex stripper but I am hesitant to spend so much for something I will probably never use again
I used a regular hobby knife for ages, Stanley #199.

Then I saw this for 4 euros at the hardware store. Works perfect.

 
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Thank you guys, you're really helping me a lot. I'll update the shopping list basing on your suggestions. One last thing, are icemodz combs good? What is the difference between normal and black ice? Revan in another thread you were talking about alphacool combs, do you think they would be better?
AlphaCool is Aluminum and Icemodz combs are acrylic. Normal & Blackice are just color and if they are open or closed.

These are the combs I use: https://mnpctech.com/buy-stealth-cable-combs-for-pcs/carbon-fiber-cable-combs/
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And what tool you use to strip your wire? A lot of people seems to recommend knipex stripper but I am hesitant to spend so much for something I will probably never use again
Mine are even more expensive then Knipex. The problem with Knipex is they don't strip small enough for the terminals. You usually want something in the range of 3 to 4mm those strippers start at 6mm. I use Molex strippers, they are best strippers I've every used and well worth the money.

Link: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/63817-0000/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduiQjXvMqOesQl%2fNbNJ5wRmgRS2adqjQlGY%3d
 
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Wow definitely out of budget. I'll see what i can find.
I really like the fact that they are made of aluminum since all the combs i used in the past were made out of plastic and so very fragile. However they seems to create like a gap between each pair of cables due to their particular shape. Kind of a bummer
 
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Wow definitely out of budget. I'll see what i can find.
I really like the fact that they are made of aluminum since all the combs i used in the past were made out of plastic and so very fragile. However they seems to create like a gap between each pair of cables due to their particular shape. Kind of a bummer
Check MNPCTech, there open but there high grade then AlphaCool. Carbon Fiber is even better then aluminum.

This is mine:

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I prefer Molex ones since you can adjust the thickness of the cut for different wiring. Plus there modular, you can swap out the blades for other types of wiring.

EBay has one listing for 19.99 (Brand New for Knipex) : https://www.ebay.com/itm/Knipex-Tools-1262180-Automatic-Insulation-Wire-Stripper-24-to-10-AWG-7-1-4/122910002997?hash=item1c9e01cf35:g:zbwAAOSwBV5aWBpT

I would check EBay for wire strippers, you sometimes come across some great deals. At one point there was Mini Fit Jr. Molex crimper for only 80 dollars (Retails for 300 dollars)

Here is a mod I did with my Knipex which should give you the correct size cut each time (Just need to attach a zip tie)



Just don't buy the strippers from a sleeving shop they overcharge you for them, Sleeving shops charge 50 dollars for Knipex where they usually retail from 34 to 40 dollars.
 
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Cool mod! What do you think of these? https://www.amazon.it/dp/B000R895YM?ref=emc_b_5_t
They should strip from 3mm and they are cheaper then molex
The Knipex 12 40 200 is designed for ribbon wire. You want the Knipex 12 50 200 version. Also look up 12 42 195 version as well. Not sure what sites you can buy from where you are located at. I would check and see how much Molex 63817-0000 is in your country.

I had the Knipex 12 50 200 there ok, I had issues I ran into using them(Which is when I returned them and went with Molex):

- 16 AWG: they create uneven cuts which creates an offset/even wire when placed inside the terminal.
- 22 AWG: some wire it would refuse to strip, others it would cut the strands from the wire.
 
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Updated list:




Still missing something?
Don't forget to buy a soldering Iron or look up the Double Crimp method for Doubles wires (If your going with double crimp method, you might want to add more Molex Female terminals to your order and if you plan on doing dual, triple or quad Sata cables add even more terminals).

For LED if your buying RGB make sure you buy the Darkside to Asus Aura RGB LED Adapter if you want to attach it to your motherboard RGB header.

Link: https://www.singularitycomputers.com/shop/sc-lighting/darkside-asus-aura-rgb-led-adapter-cable/

Do you want Sata Push Down or Molex Push Down Connectors?





You should add a few Fan connectors from MDPC-X, Molex terminals are designed for 2695 series, Not 100% sure if they will fit inside 2510 connectors (Which is what most sleeving shops sell and what most fans come with).



2510 vs 2695

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Everything else looks good, When you place your order with Singularity computers. Make sure to add a note that you have EVGA PSU and you want 6 Pin PSU for EVGA. There are two different versions.
 
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- I already have a soldering iron
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. I was planning on doing split wires on the 24 pin and double crimps on the double sata (15 awg will work with a double crimp on a sata connector? Isn't the 17awg easier to work with in this situation?). I'll only need 1 short molex cable to power up the aquaero so i think that 30 pins are going to be more than enough. Maybe i will add some more sata just in case.
- Not planning on using push down.
- I don't like rgb all i want is a nice bright white strip. I was thinking of connecting the 3 darkside strip with a 3 way adapter straight to the aquaero 6.
- I'll make sure to grab some fan connectors and to specify for the 6 pin
 
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- I already have a soldering iron
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. I was planning on doing split wires on the 24 pin and double crimps on the double sata (15 awg will work with a double crimp on a sata connector? Isn't the 17awg easier to work with in this situation?). I'll only need 1 short molex cable to power up the aquaero so i think that 30 pins are going to be more than enough. Maybe i will add some more sata just in case.
- Not planning on using push down.
- I don't like rgb all i want is a nice bright white strip. I was thinking of connecting the 3 darkside strip with a 3 way adapter straight to the aquaero 6.
- I'll make sure to grab some fan connectors and to specify for the 6 pin
- You have to do double wire on 24 Pin cable.
- It doesn't matter if the wire is 18 or 15 AWG, since your slicing the wire open at some point along the wire. It's nearly impossible to double crimp Sata, sleeve and fit it inside the connector (Even at 18 AWG it's hard to impossible).

This is what I'm talking about with Double wires for Sata:





This is my Double Wire Method (It requires Zero soldering and just as strong as solder):

 
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- I was trying to say the same thing regarding the 24 pin, I want to avoid double crimps and just do double wires at the beginning of the cable for a cleaner route. Double wires and double crimps produces the same result right?
- Your method for double sata is really cool, if I understand correctly you use an atx pin to crimp the wires together right? However I have a question, how do companies like cablemod do double sata and double molex?
 
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