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Hey Robilar do you think I might have caused permanent damage to my NB and it is going to limit my OC'ing potential... I am sorry to keep asking you but you read this thread a lot more carefully than me with a solid OC'ing foundation before you started it so I would really appreciate your opinion no matter how small it might be
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I was 12hs Orthos stable... I guess re-flashing the BIOS without setting it back to stock could have done something... also I think Alex said that you need to check for stability when switching BIOS and that makes a lot more sense now... even if they say they only added compatibility with certain RAM modules... And finally I think I might have started having a thermal problem as summer set in... I built when it was still cool...

Does the video card interact with the CPU via the NB? Or does the Video card affect the NB in any way? Cause if so I also switched drivers on my GTS and I OC'ed higher...

Then finally... every time I froze up and had to power off had the chance of corrupting important OS files that may have added to the instability problems...

I ask again cause I can never get anyone to answer this question other than Charger who already weighed in on the issue... May I have permanently damaged my NB?
The video card theoretically does weigh in on overclocks. This is one of the reasons that linkboost was removed from the bios in the latest revisions. It boosted voltage through the pci lanes to increase the graphics cards voltage (and supposedly its speed. it was like a mini overclock). That is also the reason I recommend disabling Nvidia GPU Ex as it has a similar effect. So to answer your question, it can affect it. Also, your graphics card may be on the same 12v rail as your cpu and as such the extra draw could be pulling more than the line can stably support. I believe your antec has two 12v rails?

You absolutely have to reset your bios settings to stock when changing the bios revision. The board will try to keep your overclock settings when changing bios but the newer (or older bios if you are back flashing) bios may not be stable at the settings the other version was working at and yet it is being forced to run at those settings (which technically can't happen when you are going in and out of the bios to overclock. If you hit a setting that doesn't work, it crashes or locks up, etc and you reboot and try something different). The short answer is that it can damage the board (And there have been reports of this on the asus forums).

Can you have permanently damaged your NB? Sure, its possible. I have personally fried an NB on a system I built for a friend with this board. We were using a coolit freezone tec for the cpu overclock and water cooling for the nb and sb and graphics cards. While running orthos overnight, the pump on the water cooling system failed and crashed the system eventually. When I rebooted the system in the morning, everything seemed fine at stock settings. If i tried to increase the nb even .1 in voltage it crashed every time. We rma'd the board and got a new one but the nb was definitely pooched.

Can restarting crashed os cause instabilities? Yes in windows it can. You could corrupt one of the system files and it was cause all manner of problems. Sometimes a system restore can resolve this and sometimes it can't/

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my PSU has three rails... 19, 19 and 19 amps but I think the juice is distributable... I am not so knowledgeable about PSUs... but it would seem that
I am only using two... MoBo and GTS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371001

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=964&pageID=2559 (this is a review in case anyone is interested)
"I highly recommend the Antec TruePower Trio 650W, it is the definition of function before fashion; the price and results prove it." he he... I like that one
"...this power supply has already garnered attention from Federal Government IT departments." that can't be bad either...

It does look ugly though


Could the NB show little signs of problems and only limit my clocks...?

Thank you so much for replying, I bet you must be busy being summer and all... gotta spend time with the fam while it is hot... I got family in Montreal... must be nice up there

Sorry about chasing you around so much... I've been quite preoccupied with this stuff lately...
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my PSU has three rails... 19, 19 and 19 amps and I thing they are distributable... I am not so knowledgeable about PSUs... I am only using two... MoBo and GTS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371001

Could the NB show little signs of problems and only limit my clocks...?

Thank you so much for replying, I bet you must be busy being summer and all... gotta spend time with the fam while it is hot... I got family in Montreal... must be nice up there

Sorry about chasing you around so much... I've been quite preoccupied with this stuff lately...
Yes, as I mentioned above, I definitely damaged a nb on the board and it could run stable at stock without issue. If I changed the voltage on the nb in even the smallest increment the board crashed immediately. The nb has a major effect on cpu overclocking (especially on nvidia chipset boards. This is why it gets so hot).

Regarding your power supply, the antec's are decent. Have you run the psu tester program to see where you weigh in?

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/p...ulatorlite.jsp
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hahahah!!!! I need a 689W PSU for what I am running now ahahahahah!!!!
that was for the maximum aging facoring (30% aging) for 24/7 and for longer than a year of use...

792W if I SLI my 640MB...

781W if I don't SLI but go with a Q6600 at 3.6GHz... aghh!!!
721W same as above if I don't use it 24/7...
661W same as above if it ages well (this one is supposed to)

the second through fifth HDDs add 140W

this is scary Robilar...

hahah check this out.... if it ages well and I don't use it 24/7 then I need to loose my card reader and I am finally at an exact 650W hahahha


I hope this thing over-states
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Geez - I just plugged in my system parameters into that site and it calls for a 1300w PSU!!! It says that for my chip if I want to oc to 3.6ghz at 1.5v then this alone requires 250w.

Could this be why I can't get the bus up on either of my 2 boards in my sig? I can oc to 3.6ghz using a low bus and high multi but it won't post past a 1250mhz FSB. What do you think Robilar?
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hahahah!!!! I need a 689W PSU for what I am running now ahahahahah!!!!
that was for the maximum aging facoring (30% aging) for 24/7 and for longer than a year of use...

792W if I SLI my 640MB...

781W if I don't SLI but go with a Q6600 at 3.6GHz... aghh!!!
721W same as above if I don't use it 24/7...
661W same as above if it ages well (this one is supposed to)

the second through fifth HDDs add 140W

this is scary Robilar...

hahah check this out.... if it ages well and I don't use it 24/7 then I need to loose my card reader and I am finally at an exact 650W hahahha


I hope this thing over-states
Remember, thats at 100% load as well. Most power supplies have their rated voltage based on ongoing 80% load requirements (which is way lower than what you will need). Power supplies are often the main reason for system instability as its usually the last component that people think about when upgrading. When I got this board, I had a Seasonic S12 600W, a good power supply (and a pair of 7900gtx at the time as well). I upgraded to a silverstone 750w that was a dud, then a Silverstone 850w that was DOA out of the box and finally to my enermax 850w. With all of the prior power supplies to my current one, I had stability issues during overclocking...

You may need a better power supply my friend...
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Geez - I just plugged in my system parameters into that site and it calls for a 1300w PSU!!! It says that for my chip if I want to oc to 3.6ghz at 1.5v then this alone requires 250w.

Could this be why I can't get the bus up on either of my 2 boards in my sig? I can oc to 3.6ghz using a low bus and high multi but it won't post past a 1250mhz FSB. What do you think Robilar?
Of course it could. The older thermaltakes aren't known for being great to begin with (ahthough their new 1000 W and 1200 W power supplies have gotten stellar reviews).

If you don't have the necessary power, it will not overclock stably.
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Of course it could. The older thermaltakes aren't known for being great to begin with (ahthough their new 1000 W and 1200 W power supplies have gotten stellar reviews).

If you don't have the necessary power, it will not overclock stably.
So even though I can oc without a problem to 3.6ghz it still matters i.e. does a bigger fsb / lower multi require more energy than lower fsb / lower multi? I would have thought that the clock speed would have determined the overall requirement regardless of how it got there?
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http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?...wxLCxobmV3cw==

the thermaltake toughpower 1200W is apparently really an excellent power supply. Read the review I attached from HardOCP. They push the power supplies harder than any other review site I've read.
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