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This is a known problem on the 680i platform to crap out at ~120mbs. There is an article on it in Anandtech.

Ther workaround is to deselect the write caching and command queuing for both channels of the raid controller in the device manager.

The good news is even if you buy a $350 hardware raid controller you probably won't see a significant real world difference...so I'm told. I have a few friends who did just that and there rates went up to ~160mbs which is about the limit for the 150g raps and probably is meaningless for applications because there are other parameters that affect hd performance. Just for fun I've just ordered a $35 job to see if there is any change.
Dude!!! I have been asking about this one... I have two RAID0 with Seagate Perp 7200.10 and one gives me the "full" 134.4 while the other onlt 110MB/s... I will try this and report back
EDIT: Well I got a better speed.. 111.7MB/s hahaha... and 136.2 MB/s on the faster one... I think that's a record...
every little bit helps though thanks... Rep+

http://www.overclock.net/hard-drives...single-10.html <( I think it is the current 7200rpm OCN RAID0 record!!!)
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About the point you make about buying a RAID controller... I bought the "best" controller for under $120 and it was crap... then to get a good one with a processor and big cache it is about $300 to $500 and they will do the same or worse.... very good point... that was actually the reason why I bought this board... otherwise I would have stayed with a cheaper MoBo... this South Bridge saved me money
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only thing I done was flash with asus update..set everything to default first.. then I just rebooted when prompted.. now no boot.. powers on for a few seconds then flickers off.
Probably corrupted the Bios chip. NEVER use Asus update.Use the Bios version EZFlash.
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only thing I done was flash with asus update..set everything to default first.. then I just rebooted when prompted.. now no boot.. powers on for a few seconds then flickers off.
Yikes. Guess you didn't read the first page of this thread in my guide where I specified to never, ever use the asus update utility with this board. It corrupts the bios about half the time.

I do have a solution however.

Here is what you need to do:

You need to get your hands on an older generation 775 intel processor. I used a celeron D336. For whatever reason, the board will read an older cpu but not the newer conroe (any of them). Download the 0602 bios onto a USB memory stick. Put the chip (the celeron) in and the system will boot. Go into the bios and use the ez flash utillity in there in conjunction with a usb memory stick. Reflash the bios back to 0602. Save and shut down. Put the conroe back in. The system will now boot normally. At that point you can put the 1103 bios on the USB memory stick and follow the same procedure to flash the bios safely.

An older P4 chip should work as well.

If you don't have a usb memory stick, go buy one, you'll need it in the future. I picked up an OCZ 2 GB for $20 Canadian and since then I've seen cheaper.
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Yikes. Guess you didn't read the first page of this thread in my guide where I specified to never, ever use the asus update utility with this board. It corrupts the bios about half the time.

I do have a solution however.

Here is what you need to do:

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An older P4 chip should work as well.

If you don't have a usb memory stick, go buy one, you'll need it in the future. I picked up an OCZ 2 GB for $20 Canadian and since then I've seen cheaper.


So its indefinitely a currupt bios then? I'm just glad its not a dead board. Unfortunately for me I bought another p5n32-e sli last night in a panic attack to get something on its way as soon as possible. Look's like I'll have something up for sale here soon!
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*sigh* i decided to upgrade to 1103 bios and apparently it's killed my motherboard. how wonderful!
Before you follow Robilar's suggestion, I did have that exact same problem and it happened when I updated to 1103 (using EZFlash though).

Turns out it was my RAM. I used one stick at a time in slot A0 and got it to come up, changed the mem. voltage to 2.1 but it still crapped out with both sticks. After swapping out the one stick, I realised one of them was bad.

I'm waiting on the RMA from OCZ (which has so far taken nearly 2 weeks )

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Thats a separate issue. I had the same problem using the asus updater software (as have many others). Its almost a common problem (Which is why I bolded it in the guide)
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Dude!!! I have been asking about this one... I have two RAID0 with Seagate Perp 7200.10 and one gives me the "full" 134.4 while the other onlt 110MB/s... I will try this and report back
EDIT: Well I got a better speed.. 111.7MB/s hahaha... and 136.2 MB/s on the faster one... I think that's a record...
every little bit helps though thanks... Rep+

http://www.overclock.net/hard-drives...single-10.html <( I think it is the current 7200rpm OCN RAID0 record!!!)
brought it home from the stupid Intel South Bridge.. hahahah muahahahah...

About the point you make about buying a RAID controller... I bought the "best" controller for under $120 and it was crap... then to get a good one with a processor and big cache it is about $300 to $500 and they will do the same or worse.... very good point... that was actually the reason why I bought this board... otherwise I would have stayed with a cheaper MoBo... this South Bridge saved me money
I'm surprised the results didn't improve beyond that with the tweak. My HD Tach graph (like Anandtech) with the defaut settings looked like a flat line at 120mbs. I just ran it again with the tweak with a bunch of apps opened up and it was 143mbs...plus the graph looked normal i.e. tapering off towards the end of the graph. As you said you may be at the limit of the 7200s anyways. In any case I'm told that the Anandtech article overstates the problem because it is using a synthetic bench and moreover a 120mbs (680i) to 160mbs (ICH8R) on my raptors is not material even though it looks like a big difference.

I believe you are into media so I'm also surprised that with the expensive unit you bought e.g. $350-$500 you didn't see a difference in your real world apps. Most ppl wouldn't see a difference because they're not r/w intensive but I would have thought you would have shaved some time off. I read some reports that even though a synthetic bench like HD Tach doesn't show much of a difference, for something like what you're doing it might speed things up...even more so than the ICH8R. The $120 probably wouldn't do much better but my thought for trying one is to remove that silly flat line because I don't particularly like disabling cashing and queuing as this theoretically is supposed to be a benefit.

The units I've spoken to ppl about that appear to be good for media use are the Areca and the LSI but for 500 bucks it better shave hours not seconds off. I would think Adaptec would be good but I haven't spoken with anyone that has one. I do know that Adaptec has good support.
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yea, you are right on... but my bottleneck it the CPU right now... the HDDs can currently handle more than a few 1080p streams... but the CPU can't keep up... well I am working on a 32-bit app so the software is actually using only 91% of my processor on previews (the important part... not the renders... those are not so important)... I am working with the DVCPRO-HD codec which is 100Mbit/s so working with a HDD that has a 134MByte/s average ensures me that I am not being held back by the drives... that's just what I want to know... I want to be certain... and I want to get a Q6600

Now I do notice a h-u-g-e benefit when transferring footage and backing up... I LOVE that I don't have to wait more than it takes me to brew some fine blue-berry tea (that S#$T TASTES GOOD!!)...

As to the small increase... I thing it must have been cause I had already basically topped out my drives... they bench at around 80MB/s solo... so together the absolute ceiling is around 160MB/s... I was quite close to that... now your speed daemons can do much better... and the higher you get the more the controller will play a role... so the tweaks will also be bigger...

kinda like getting headers on a neon or a mustang... I had a neon and I tweaked it... I got 5bhp here and there... then my friend would get headers and get like 20bhs more...

but hey dude.... I got the fastest 7200rpm RAID0 on OCN
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Before you follow Robilar's suggestion, I did have that exact same problem and it happened when I updated to 1103 (using EZFlash though).

Turns out it was my RAM. I used one stick at a time in slot A0 and got it to come up, changed the mem. voltage to 2.1 but it still crapped out with both sticks. After swapping out the one stick, I realised one of them was bad.

I'm waiting on the RMA from OCZ (which has so far taken nearly 2 weeks )

Good luck

well - i dont really seeing it being the ram as it was working for a few hours before i updated and I decided to update and on the reboot it didnt work. I'm about positive its update related. Asus However is sending me another board - so now I'll have 2 of these. Oh well.
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This is a known problem on the 680i platform to crap out at ~120mbs. There is an article on it in Anandtech.

Ther workaround is to deselect the write caching and command queuing for both channels of the raid controller in the device manager.
I don't see that option anywhere in the Device Manager when I right click and select "Properties" on any of the RAID devices listed.

The device manager lists 4 things under "SCSI and RAID controllers". 3 of them say "NVIDIA nForce 590/570/550 Serial ATA Controller" and the 4th one says "NVIDIA nForce(tm) RAID Class Controller".

Why does it not say 680, by the way?
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