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Wait I got a question - so I read that the newer XFX pro 450w v2 doesn't have OCP. I'm sure the silencer mk3 does though, right, so isn't the xfx pro 450w v2 a bad power supply?

I don't really know what ocp is, which of these psu's have ocp. Does a cx500 have ocp? I've had 2 of mine fail (seems like both of them just suddenly could only do like ~150-200w instead of 500w, if that makes sense, like i might pass prime95 but couldnt do it overclocked, or i could but i'd fail gpu tests, and then id definitely fail a gpu+cpu test), I think because of a faulty LED dying out.

 

OCP is Over Current Protection; it's basically like a breaker box circuit inside of your PSU to prevent shorts & burn-outs when a part decides to pull too much amperage.

 

Lacking OCP on a small unit (under 600w) doesn't make it a bad unit. While having OCP is ideal, it shouldn't be a deal breaker for you.

 

The CX500 does not have OCP, but lacking it wouldn't cause issues like that. If they did suddenly de-rate it would mean the primary capacitor was failing. That primary cap was upgraded in the CX Bronze & CX Bronze Modular units.

If you haven't yet, I would RMA them and ask Corsair about getting a CX Bronze unit as a replacement.

 

A rep from Corsair did say on the JonnyGuru forums that a small percentage of units that were RMA'd had bad primary caps. Which is why they made that upgrade to them on the CX Bronze & CX Bronze Modular units. To prevent these issues further.

 

Many Seasonic made units do not have OCP as Seasonic traditionally builds single-rail units, and OCP is a feature on multi-rail units. The reason for this, is that an OCP shunt can only handle so much current before it becomes useless. Which is why, you generally find the maximum OCP current limit for a rail being around 40A or so. Higher than that, and you'll most likely have a feature that doesn't function or functions so slowly that it doesn't prevent damage.

 

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Originally Posted by Sir Amik Vase View Post

Are there any decent semi-modular PSU's out there at 850W for £130 or less?
Going crossfire soon and need to get a decent PSU.

 

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/850w-xfx-pro-black-edition-p1-850b-befx-full-modular-90-eff-80-plus-gold-sli-crossfire-eps-12v-quiet

 

It's not Semi-Modular; but it is right at your price point.

 

For HD7970's you really don't need that much, even with an overclocked 3930X.

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So what was with the CX500s you've had? What do the voltages measure with a multimeter under load? The same overclock works with a different power supply, but the two CX500s just shut off? You've absolutely ruled out the overclock and not the power supplies? What does an LED have to do with anything?

2 totally separate incidences.

CX500, my nzxt led was bad. after a few days, it just slowly died out before my eyes, and apparently took the psu with it, as suddenly I couldn't pass prime95 on overclock, any gpu test, or any psu test (occt, prime95+furmark). The issue would manifest as nvidia driver crashes, which if i left a test running would even result in a reset.

Got a replacement CX500. Within a week, some other LED went out. Same thing, this time it isn't as bad, as I can pass prime95 on overclock (5ghz@1.5v), stock gpu tests, but not any psu test or overclocked gpu test. Again, nvidia driver crashes, eventual reset.

So I dunno if these cx500s are really good because they like my whole system didn't go down with it, or if they are terrible because an LED dying shouldn't cause a psu to die.
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If you haven't yet, I would RMA them and ask Corsair about getting a CX Bronze unit as a replacement.

What's a CX bronze? They offered to give me a cx600 as my next replacement instead of another cx500. I was thinking of just selling it and getting a higher quality psu, namely a xfx pro 450 v1 or pc p&p silencer mk3 400w. Maybe a corsair g500 (the older version most likely, off ebay).

I dunno if corsair units are good or bad, but I think I'd like to avoid a cx psu now. they're support has been great so I wouldn't mind getting the g500 if it's similar quality to the xfx/mk3.

Do I not have that upgraded cx bronze? I think my cx500 is among the newer line of cx500s that come in a white/green box instead of cardboard colored box.
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post #1923 of 6753

The G500 is based on the same design as the Corsair CX Series. The only notable difference is the better fan & primary capacitor.

Though, CX Bronze units have the better capacitor as well.

The CX Bronze units are from the CX Series but Bronze denotes the upgrade in efficiency to 80+ Bronze standards. Like wise, the CX Bronze & CX Bronze Modular units have the upgraded primary capacitor as well as increased 12v amperage.

 

Corsair units are generally solid options. They're a good company with good support, but not always the best value.

 

As for your experience, that situation shouldn't happen again if you get a CX500 Bronze as a replacement. The original CX Series & CXv2 Series units still have the same primary cap which may fail or have an issue.

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I've had the CX500 bronze both times, I just bought these PSUs from newegg right when they updated the line-up.

It's confusing because of how corsair designates them. I think they 'silently' updated the line-up but as you've indicated, there have been changes. But i definitely got a newer cx500, the ones with the white and green boxes.

Given the value of the cx600, I think I can probably get an xfx 450/mk3 for about $30 on ebay and then just sell the cx600 for like $50, it's more power than I need and the quality is worse anyways so i'm basically pocketing a little money for a better psu. I could just use the new cx600 i get and avoid the 'hassle' (since people pay on brand and wattage than on quality). really it's a hassle either way (send in faulty psu and not have a pc for a few days, do an advanced rma, or just buy a $30 higher quality psu and then sell the $50-60 cx600).

if i dont get this xfx pro 450w v1 then i'll just get a pcpc mk3 from newegg for $49 and then get a replacement cable for an extra pci-e line (i can use a molex adaptor in the meantime, hopefully i dont have to pay for a pci-e cable).

corsair's support has been superb though, and i'm having difficulty figuring out what XFX/PCPC's policies are - how supportive they are, their RMA procedure, and if they support second hand or need an original invoice. I know corsair has no problem supporting second hand products and have been pretty above and beyond so i'm definitely reconsidering buying a different brand. It's annoying to have psu's keep blowing out but i guess if corsair doesnt mind replacing it every time...
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They'll offer basic trouble-shooting; but you're only gonna get an RMA with an invoice.

I think XFX units you may need to register, but I'd have to check on that one.

 

Sounds like your issue may be unrelated to the power supply, or you have really terrible luck.

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yea looks like you have to register xfx products, but I really don't know what the policy is practically. And you 'have' to do it in 30 days. All i could find was a few people saying if you buy second hand within 30 days new, you are the original owner and all is good, but i don't know what people's experiences are, even with all the xfx gpu's and people surely rmaing those too.

The PC P&C i see that on their site you don't have to put anything in in regards to an invoice (like the corsair ticket page) but I dont know if they come hunt you down for an invoice later on or not.

Corsair's support really has been above and beyond, and I even read a guy saying a corsair psu fried his whole system and they wrote him a check for the total of the system (3 GPUs, later on he realized only 2 of them fried so he got paid a bit extra, but the point is that it was quite an expensive system). I'm really one of those rational, buy the best part for the money kind of guy, but the more and more computers I build and more RMAs and such I end up dealing with and more I end up communicating with these evil corporations, it seems like the more of a fanboy i'm forced to become. i dont even like corsair but i have no choice. and how is it that i like a company more after their stuff breaks on me.

Still, I'd really like to know what XFX and PC P&Ps policies are before I make a decision either way. Pretty sure I can get one of those two units for about $20-30.
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I'd say corsair are great, I bought a second hand psu and after awhile it broke they told me to send it back 4 days later I get a brand new one :-) only the postage cost alot to send
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Well I'm not trying to wait until a psu takes down my whole system, as fantastic as corsair's support has been.
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Hey, I've recently been trying to pick out a new PSU for my rig. I'm looking for something between 550 and 700w, modular, and preferably Gold Plus Certified. One thing that matters a lot to me too is the noise level, though. If anybody could suggest a good PSU with a quiet fan (that will remain consistently silent while being worked) that would be great. I'm currently looking at the SeaSonic G Series 550w as well as the Capstone-M IS. Would those be good choices?
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Hey, I've recently been trying to pick out a new PSU for my rig. I'm looking for something between 550 and 700w, modular, and preferably Gold Plus Certified. One thing that matters a lot to me too is the noise level, though. If anybody could suggest a good PSU with a quiet fan (that will remain consistently silent while being worked) that would be great. I'm currently looking at the SeaSonic G Series 550w as well as the Capstone-M IS. Would those be good choices?

 

If you have a good chunk of change to spend, NCIX US has the Be Quiet Dark Power Pro P10 which is probably the best silent option you can get.

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