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Short answer its old
I disagree.

If it's still available in the market and if there is no explicitly new technology or feature applied in the contemporary PSUs of this price range that the Rosewill Green(or others like that) lacks of; I don't find it at all logical to eliminate it for the sake of age.

Why do we tend to avoid an old thing(PSU or not)? Because that thing is either unavailable or lacks features(in any respect) that the other modern things of the same genre of the same price range commonly have. An old thing is not obsolete for sake of being old but can become so due to the other adverse factors that generally come with age.

It's kind of not that much different than say Corsair CX in quality, and that's not on there either. You might just say that the threshold's a bit higher now. For what it's worth, pretty much everything on the list has better high-load +12 V ripple.

Gabe Torres does good reviews, but he has a reputation for giving out awards like candy, you know? Actually, they're just very heavily based on whatever price is current, not to mention his current perspective on the market. As time goes on, reviewers become harder and harder on scoring, as power supplies get better.

I think Rosewill Green was maybe being phased out, or people thought so? For brevity, discontinued (but still very much available on many markets) units are kept off the list. But now we know that Rosewill Green was refreshed and bumped to 80 plus bronze, seemingly. Same platform from ATNG... or not?
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@mikeaj, thanks for explaining the main points. It was helpful. I just feel that as there are similar PSUs like Corcair CX that haven't made it to the list, also there are PSUs with more or less similar standard that have. One example might be: XFX core edition 450 W. It has(like its 550 W counterpart) fluctuating voltage problem on +12V rail under more than a few circumstances as jonnyguru points out.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story2&reid=224

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story2&reid=225

And if you consider discontinuity, the 450 W one, as far as I observe in the last few days is pretty hard to find out. Both versions of them ( P1-450S-XXB9 and P1-450SX2B9 ) are discontinued in newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207018

At the time of writing it, I checked in amazon for latest update and found 4 left in stock, however I found it unavailable a few days ago when I checked it there as one of my possible buying candidates.

http://www.amazon.com/XFX-ATX-450-Power-Supply/dp/B005FPT38U/ref=sr_sp-atf_title_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369871158&sr=8-1&keywords=xfx+core+edition+450w

Sorry if I'm wrong and I can't find the datasheet anymore but I think I read somewhere 4/5 days ago, when researching viable buying option for me, that XFX doesn't produce the 450 W one anymore. As I said I'm not 100% sure I read it, but I feel I probably did.

PS: I got your main point and the above example is not to stretch the argument if 'old is bad' (lol...) but to point out a few things that you guys might just have missed.

PS2: @mikeaj, I asked two new questions on the basis of your answers to my initial five questions. Hopefully you or someone will take the time to give precise answers to them.

Bye.
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If the XFX is being discontinued, that's a relatively recent development. The list is not updated all the time, but it hasn't been too long since the last change.

I think most people would say that the XFX Core (Pro) is a step above Corsair CX though. Seasonic S12IIB is a bit better than CWT DSAII (DSAIII?), and the S12IIB / M12IIB derivatives like the lower-wattage XFX Core, Antec HCG, PCP&C Silencer Mk III all have better capacitors and a ball-bearing fan, unlike the CX.

What CPU and GPUs? If single 7950 or lower, 450 W is plenty unless you highly overclock one of the more power-hungry processors. No need for 550 W, let alone 650 W. For two 7950s, maybe 650 W. Rosewill Hive is pretty decent, but it's not great.

Between now and August, there should be something good on sale for say $60 or less. Say Capstone or Seasonic G might go on sale again. It's not like Hive or some Seasonic S12IIB unit for ~$60 is a bad call, but you could do better. Or if not something on that level, then something like a Seasonic S12IIB unit might go on sale under $60.
post #2254 of 6753
450w would be fine for a system like that, though you could always go higher if you do have plans on upgrading soon after.

The S12ii is definitely a good unit, but given the current pricings I'd recommend the Rosewill Capstone 450w. It's currently $60 on amazon, which is pretty good deal for it.

I believe that XFX unit is based off the S12ii too, though I'm not quite sure if there are any differences between the units. I'd presume the two links are of the same unit though, AFAIK XFX only has a single 550w unit that's sold today.

As for the Hive, I wouldn't recommend it unless you really want the semi-modular interface. While it's not a bad unit performance-wise, but component quality isn't particularly great.

As for warranty, I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the retailer. Chances are that Amazon simply didn't list it on the page, not that its not offered.


Edit: Whoops, for some reason I didn't see there was a next page.
Edit2: Actually disregard this post completely, I was responding for some reason to the posts in page 224.
Edited by christoi - 5/30/13 at 3:00am
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@mikeaj, okay got you. Then may be I should just wait to see if some better offer comes up in the next few months. And I'll be using single 7950 in recent future. Actually I do have a 450W PSU that I'm using right now(see in my sig) But it has two +12V rails. So that won't be enough. The rail supplying the cpu would have spare power but the other rail would have power shortage under taxing situation if I use a 7950. But probably someday will get a second Tahiti. That's why wanting to take a ~650W PSU. Future processor would be 3rd gen i5.
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Anyone care to share anything about the XIGMATEK 400W & 500W Tauro 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply, I can't seem to find a review for these products. Please link me to a review of some sort please.

Also how does it fair against the OCZ Technology 500W CoreXStream quality (personally will be using the XFX Core 450W PSU).
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Anyone care to share anything about the XIGMATEK 400W & 500W Tauro 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply, I can't seem to find a review for these products. Please link me to a review of some sort please.......

Review of the 400w unit.

Got it from here.
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Anyone care to share anything about the XIGMATEK 400W & 500W Tauro 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply, I can't seem to find a review for these products. Please link me to a review of some sort please.

Also how does it fair against the OCZ Technology 500W CoreXStream quality (personally will be using the XFX Core 450W PSU).

Its alright its not kill your PC but its not great either

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Xigmatek-Tauro-700-W-Power-Supply-Review/1594
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1529/pg1/xigmatek-tauro-700w-power-supply-review-introduction.html

Forget the OCZ CoreXStream thats crap from HEC

Rosewill Capstone or Super Flower Golden Green are by far the best 450 watts units i can recall right now
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Anyone care to share anything about the XIGMATEK 400W & 500W Tauro 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply, I can't seem to find a review for these products. Please link me to a review of some sort please.

Also how does it fair against the OCZ Technology 500W CoreXStream quality (personally will be using the XFX Core 450W PSU).

I found a German article for the 400w model from Compubase.de.

Here's the highlights: Andyson is the OEM, the fan is a Young Lin DFS132512H and is pretty loud. The capacitors are a 85*C Teapo primary and 105*F secondaries from Teapo and JunFu. Only 26A on main 12v rail, which gives a net capacity of 312w (which is substandard for a "400w" unit).

The efficiency as tested did not even match 80-PLUS standard, let alone 80-PLUS Bronze. PFC rating is below 99%, it can't handle crossloads properly on the 12v and 5v rails, but ripple is actually not bad.

I would assume that the 500w model would be just as bad, but with 8A / 96w more on the 12v rail.
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