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post #481 of 6729
Polemic we need not be!
Lets either take this to PMs or leave it be.
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post #482 of 6729
I wouldn't call Seasonic a legend. If they were legendary someone at their factory would hire a few of the Delta people that do soldering to step up that process.

And with the whole Gold Decal thing going around with 80+ gold PSU's and the fact that the heat-sinks are more visible this time; I wouldn't be surprised if they were painted.

The only place I know of that is semi-reputable with an X-400 Review is SPCR. Though they don't actually show O-Scope shots (just tell the numbers) and have had some "mixed" results in the past against what others have tested. They also only ran the unit at 24*C ambient. But the temp rise of 4*C was nice to see.

Either way their photo of the heatsinks doesn't look very "copper" to me. And I have some doubts from the other heatsinks being aluminum.
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post #483 of 6729
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
Hardware.Info is a bunch of ******* when it comes to testing PSU's as they don't test at 40*C, nor do they do O-Scope readings.
You cannot trust their reviews as they're not testing ripple & noise. Major factors in a PSU being good or not.

I've seen units that can do their wattage, and have great voltage, but out of spec ripple is out of spec. That damages components.

And for that matter; Cooler Master has the whole Real Power Pro line as End of Life.
LOL 40 degrees in Holland? LOL

Other point is taken though.
Whatever
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post #484 of 6729
Well NDA Lifted today and the Seasonic X-400 reviews are out (sadly none in English; but I can give you google translate if you want to read.)

No word on the heatsinks; but that'll come soon enough (I already asked for a double check on that.)

But the X-400 can hold up to it's claims so it makes it to my list.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vhozard View Post
LOL 40 degrees in Holland? LOL

Other point is taken though.
Whatever
Inside of a computer case is MUCH hotter than outside. A room ambient of 30*C the temp inside my case (while admittedly cramped full of hardware) is 35*C right now.

And this is a US based forum. Not a forum based in Holland. But that's besides the point.
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post #485 of 6729
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
Well NDA Lifted today and the Seasonic X-400 reviews are out (sadly none in English; but I can give you google translate if you want to read.)

No word on the heatsinks; but that'll come soon enough (I already asked for a double check on that.)

But the X-400 can hold up to it's claims so it makes it to my list.



Inside of a computer case is MUCH hotter than outside. A room ambient of 30*C the temp inside my case (while admittedly cramped full of hardware) is 35*C right now.

And this is a US based forum. Not a forum based in Holland. But that's besides the point.
It's not MUCH hotter inside the case if you have good airflow.
Yup, this is an American Forum, so I completely understand if you don't add those to the list
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post #486 of 6729
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vhozard View Post
It's not MUCH hotter inside the case if you have good airflow.
Yup, this is an American Forum, so I completely understand if you don't add those to the list
This is a common misconception. The air carries the heat away; but the ambient temperature does not change. A temp sensor does not change based on wind-chill. Even though our bodies detect wind chill, the ambient temp inside the case is still the same.

And still; any proper review will test at 40*C like most units are rated. And those reviews still lack shots of an O-Scope
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post #487 of 6729
Seasonic X-400 Review added.

But I was partially right on the heatsinks being painted.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
The one on the back of the modular PCB is (copper) and the literature does not distinguish the rest. Clearly the ones on the PCB are not, and the bridge rectifiers sinks scratch off a coating. I didn't check the others.
From the reviewer @ HardOCP

Review also added to the OP
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Why is there an x-400 and an x-460? Seems odd they'd release two so close together.
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Why is there an x-400 and an x-460? Seems odd they'd release two so close together.
X-400 only has a PCIe 8pin connector.

X-460 comes with a 6 & 8pin
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X-400 only has a PCIe 8pin connector.

X-460 comes with a 6 & 8pin
Nothing a molex adaptor couldn't fix. To some people that's an important fact I assume.
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