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I am stuck between a few different 650W+ Modular PSU's and I wanted to ask the experts which was the better choice.

Rosewill Libertas 650W = $86.59 shipped. 3 year warranty.

XFX 650W = $110.23 shipped. 5 year warranty.

Antec Truepower New 650W = $94 shipped. 5 year warranty.

In terms of low noise, high efficiency, reliability and cable length (longer is better) which one of these would be the best choice? My current power supply has been a nightmare, two have failed within a year. If BFG was still up and running I would demand an upgrade.

If you know of a better choice please feel free to enlighten me.

I made a thread here to show what I might be running if that matters. http://www.overclock.net/power-suppl...questions.html
Rosewill Libertas:
ATNG APL Based. Not a bad unit but you'll see pretty much the same performance as the RG630-S12 which is a "bad" thing for it's price point. Ala it's priced a little high for what it offers in terms of performance.
It's not a bad unit, but it would be on the lower end of choices.
Rosewill on the other hand has had a good track record of customer service over the past few months. Something they were a little slow in a year or so ago.
Antec True Power New 650:
I hate to say it this way, but the best way to put it is; "it's not modular." The PSU is superb in terms of performance, but it's not really a modular design. Semi-modular is more accurate but there is far to many hard wired cables.
XFX XPS 650 XXX Edition
This is a lot like the True Power New in terms of performance; and a solid unit with a much better modular cable system. And has slightly longer cables.

Right now if you're not looking to spend the scratch on a 80+ Gold PSU, then the XFX XPS 650 XXX Edition (Grey version) is my choice. A solid MIR with it, great performance. And overall a very good design.
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Main complaint with the TruePower New's cables is there's both an EPS12V (8-pin mobo) and ATX12V (4-pin mobo) connectors hardwired, when you'd only ever need one.
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Main complaint with the TruePower New's cables is there's both an EPS12V (8-pin mobo) and ATX12V (4-pin mobo) connectors hardwired, when you'd only ever need one.
I understand why the 80mm units (Ala True Power Quattro & Signatture Series) have so many hard wired cables. It's a technical side of things.

But the True Power New hardwired mess is just that, a mess.

ATX 24pin & EPS12v 8pin are what all users will really need. The rest does come optional to a point.

Though if they went like NZXT & had one SATA & 1 PCIe cable hardwired it wouldn't be as bad.
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post #604 of 6741
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Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
Rosewill Libertas:
ATNG APL Based. Not a bad unit but you'll see pretty much the same performance as the RG630-S12 which is a "bad" thing for it's price point. Ala it's priced a little high for what it offers in terms of performance.
It's not a bad unit, but it would be on the lower end of choices.
Rosewill on the other hand has had a good track record of customer service over the past few months. Something they were a little slow in a year or so ago.
Antec True Power New 650:
I hate to say it this way, but the best way to put it is; "it's not modular." The PSU is superb in terms of performance, but it's not really a modular design. Semi-modular is more accurate but there is far to many hard wired cables.
XFX XPS 650 XXX Edition
This is a lot like the True Power New in terms of performance; and a solid unit with a much better modular cable system. And has slightly longer cables.

Right now if you're not looking to spend the scratch on a 80+ Gold PSU, then the XFX XPS 650 XXX Edition (Grey version) is my choice. A solid MIR with it, great performance. And overall a very good design.
Thank you for the reply. I totally missed the mail in rebate on the XFX PSU ...lol. I blame neweggs new page setup.
post #605 of 6741
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Thank you for the reply. I totally missed the mail in rebate on the XFX PSU ...lol. I blame neweggs new page setup.
New Newegg page layout is a little bleh IMo.
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After reading JG's review of the XFX XPS 650W and the post on their forums I am hesitant....

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/show...light=xfx+650w

He says 99% of users won't experience this out of spec 5V ripple but since I am extremely ignorant when it comes to power supplies can you explain who or how this bug would be a problem? Would I EVER experience it?

[H], Johnny guru etc all gave my BFG ES-800 awesome reviews, shinji on these forums confirmed the thumbs up but in the end two of them died within a year. The first one popped and the second one started sparking during use and after the PC was shut down. All of this while powering rigs that weren't even reaching half its rated watts.

I really, REALLY don't want to deal with that crap again.
Edited by Derp - 10/8/10 at 9:23am
post #607 of 6741
Are you running a Pentium 3?

If so, this will affect you.

If not, you're fine.
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Like Phaedrus said, the Crossload test is unrealistic for most modern systems.

The problem stems from the unit requiring a minimum 12v load of 7Amps (or 84w) which is highly unrealistic even if you were to turn on your power saving features and such.

The ES-800 problems you have were most likely from Factory Quality Check issues relating to the OEM (Andyson.)

Normally I don't go on about OEM's and such; but in terms of reliability, Seasonic is generally a better OEM than Andyson (from what I've seen.)
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post #609 of 6741
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[H], Johnny guru etc all gave my BFG ES-800 awesome reviews, shinji on these forums confirmed the thumbs up but in the end two of them died within a year. The first one popped and the second one started sparking during use and after the PC was shut down. All of this while powering rigs that weren't even reaching half its rated watts.

I really, REALLY don't want to deal with that crap again.
We were all a little deceived with the ES-800. Paul's review at [H] two and a half years ago showed it to be up there with some of the best but with ripple on the 5V being right at spec at full load. Since then though, a couple more reviews popped up and one review measured ripple to be slightly out of spec at full load with a second sample being extremely out of spec. As for build quality and reliability, jonnyGURU listed his OEM defect rates while working for BFG and Huntkey (GS/GX) was the best with 0.5%, Andyson (ES/EX) was at 1%, Topower was 3-4% and Enhance (LS450/1000/1200) was at 6%. A 1% defect rate is respectable so you really just got unlucky with the first unit. The second unit was probably refurbished and wasn't fixed properly.
Edited by shinji2k - 10/8/10 at 7:53pm
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Like Phaedrus said, the Crossload test is unrealistic for most modern systems.

The problem stems from the unit requiring a minimum 12v load of 7Amps (or 84w) which is highly unrealistic even if you were to turn on your power saving features and such.
Thanks for the explanation.

Just curious, how much idle power consumption would you think my current rig would use at stock with all power saving features enabled? GTX460's drop all the way down to 50 core, it cant be using much power at all.
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