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Either choice, E4300, or E6300, you cannot go wrong. Those two are currently balanced in price/performance terms. The only way you can go wrong is getting a brisbane OEM at 69$. why? you still have to buy a cooler, and when you do, the price diff between E4300 RETAIL on newegg and the brisbane + cooler is around 10$.

IF THE BRISBANE WAS AT 69.99$ RETAIL, IT WOULD BE AN UNBEATABLE BUDGET DEAL!
I would actually disagree when looking at price/performace--a brisbane system really isn't all that great of a budget build. Why? Because while the E6300 C2D is $100 more, (even coming from an avid AMD fan) the AM2 CPU's are so lagging in performance right now in comparison, building a brisbane 3600+ would almost be a step down from my current rig (or at best, a side-step). I know I said this a lot in this thread, but I'm interested in faster media encoding times--with an E6300 and a 3600+ both at 3GHz, the C2D would be more than twice as fast. That would be more than worth the $100 IMHO.

E6300 is the obvious way to go for a step up eventhough admittedly I'm not trying to build a top-of-the-line system. It just makes the most sense. I think that even if the 3600+ were free, I'd still go E6300.
    
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I like C2D.
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IF you ONLY have X amount of $$. That $100 is a BIG deal. Like in another thread.

$500 you could get:

x2 3600 brisbane + decent MB + 2 gig RAM + $200+ video card
versus
c2d 4300 + cheapo mb + 1 gig ram + $100 video card

Which of thet above $500 will perform better? The 4300's only hit about 2.4 to 2.6 on AVERAGE (I know some do alot better, but thats with quality mb's & ram) and the 3600 brisbane consistently clocks at 3 ghz.

SO a X2 3600 Brisbane @ 3 ghz + 2 gig ram + $200+ video card is going to destroy the:
4300 @ 2.6 (if its lucky, probably 2.2 to 2.4) with 1 gig ram + $100 video card.

Price vs performance is AMD, especially in gaming


3000mhz (amd) * 9 (ops AMD) / 12 (ops c2d) = 2250mhz (c2d) so comparable clocks, but the AMD will have double the memory, double the gpu
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Cravin is right, I understand that MOST(me included) users on OCN are youngins that have full time school and dont have time to work , or even when they do, they dont make a decent amount of change. So on a budget, if you CANT hit that extra 100 bucks for C2D, dont do it. What I usualy do Is I upgrade components or buy them one by one to spread them over a time share.

Like chozart suggested, you start with the LEAST price volatile component:

PSU->CASE->COOLER->DVD-RW->HDD->Monitor->Ram->Motherboard->CPU->Video card

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IF you ONLY have X amount of $$. That $100 is a BIG deal. Like in another thread.

$500 you could get:

x2 3600 brisbane + decent MB + 2 gig RAM + $200+ video card
versus
c2d 4300 + cheapo mb + 1 gig ram + $100 video card

Which of thet above $500 will perform better? The 4300's only hit about 2.4 to 2.6 on AVERAGE (I know some do alot better, but thats with quality mb's & ram) and the 3600 brisbane consistently clocks at 3 ghz.

SO a X2 3600 Brisbane @ 3 ghz + 2 gig ram + $200+ video card is going to destroy the:
4300 @ 2.6 (if its lucky, probably 2.2 to 2.4) with 1 gig ram + $100 video card.

Price vs performance is AMD, especially in gaming


3000mhz (amd) * 9 (ops AMD) / 12 (ops c2d) = 2250mhz (c2d) so comparable clocks, but the AMD will have double the memory, double the gpu
Totally right--I have no argument with that logic. However, if money weren't THAT important, and one wanted to get a comparable quality mobo and RAM (already have video card) for either of the hypothetical systems, C2D is the obvious choice for getting the better performer.
    
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IF you ONLY have X amount of $$. That $100 is a BIG deal. Like in another thread.

$500 you could get:

x2 3600 brisbane + decent MB + 2 gig RAM + $200+ video card
versus
c2d 4300 + cheapo mb + 1 gig ram + $100 video card

Which of thet above $500 will perform better? The 4300's only hit about 2.4 to 2.6 on AVERAGE (I know some do alot better, but thats with quality mb's & ram) and the 3600 brisbane consistently clocks at 3 ghz.

SO a X2 3600 Brisbane @ 3 ghz + 2 gig ram + $200+ video card is going to destroy the:
4300 @ 2.6 (if its lucky, probably 2.2 to 2.4) with 1 gig ram + $100 video card.

Price vs performance is AMD, especially in gaming


3000mhz (amd) * 9 (ops AMD) / 12 (ops c2d) = 2250mhz (c2d) so comparable clocks, but the AMD will have double the memory, double the gpu
Quality of mobo/RAM has nothing to do with overclocking an E4300. That's why people buy them. Cheapo RAM and an ok motherboard that can hit 350FSB will overclock an E4300 to near it's max. Besides, clock for clock the C2D is faster.

Not only that, but a C2D capable mobo will have the benefit of housing a Q6600 when the prices drop.

There's no point in buying something if you're only going to have to sell it a month later and buy something else. That's an inefficient use of one's money.
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There's no point in buying something if you're only going to have to sell it a month later and buy something else. That's an inefficient use of one's money.
thank you!
I made that mistake when I got my X1800XT, now im selling it, (no loss tho) thank god, but its a hassle finding buyers. Sadly I didnt notice a diff when i moved up from a 7600gs to my X1800xt.

So from an athlon X2 4400, you probably will not notice a diff to a 3600 brisbane, you may even notice a DECREASE. whereas to the E4300, OC to 3.5GHZ? which most of those Value MOdel boards can do easily, thanks to the 9X multi of the E4300, you will see a huge difference.

Just from an X2 3800 to the E6300 stock, big diff. But when I OC it, ****, I cant keep up with it. things open too fast whereas before, i found them too slow!...
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thank you!
I made that mistake when I got my X1800XT, now im selling it, (no loss tho) thank god, but its a hassle finding buyers. Sadly I didnt notice a diff when i moved up from a 7600gs to my X1800xt.

So from an athlon X2 4400, you probably will not notice a diff to a 3600 brisbane, you may even notice a DECREASE. whereas to the E4300, OC to 3.5GHZ? which most of those Value MOdel boards can do easily, thanks to the 9X multi of the E4300, you will see a huge difference.

Just from an X2 3800 to the E6300 stock, big diff. But when I OC it, ****, I cant keep up with it. things open too fast whereas before, i found them too slow!...
Show me more than 3 users who have busted 3.4 ghz with a 4300?

Show me 3 with a via mb and value ram who are at 3 ghz.

Those are exceptions, not consistency. If he had the cash to get the SAME ancillary components then I say YES the extra $100 to $150 is worth it. If he's on a tight budget then get a Brisbane (no don't upgrade from a x2 4400 thats crazy, even the c2d's aren't going to be blistering faster)
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for once me and CravinR1 agree. I was so quick to analyze the upgrade I didnt notice what you were upgrading FROM! seriously, not a big leap, therefore not worth it unless you're upgrading to E6700 and above (even the E6600 wouldnt give you a significant increace to warrant the upgrade of your system right now.
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get a 500 GB wd perpandicular drive for around 100 bucks and save yourself the hassle of upgrading until barcelona and intel's native quad comes out.

OOPS - sorry, shoulda edited above post!
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