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Why the R600 was delayed

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Anandtech has some good info on why the R600 might have been delayed and a good comparison on what goes into the R600 and the G80...theres also benches, but most of you have already seen enough of those...
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While AMD will tell us that R600 is not late and hasn't been delayed, this is simply because they never actually set a public date from which to be delayed. We all know that AMD would rather have seen their hardware hit the streets at or around the time Vista launched, or better yet, alongside G80. But the fact is that AMD had quite a few problems in getting R600 out the door.

While we couldn't really get the whole story from anyone, we heard bits and pieces here and there during our three day briefing event in Tunis, Tunisia. These conversations were short and scattered and not the kind of thing that it's easy to get a straight answer about when asking direct questions. Keeping that in mind, we do have some information and speculation about a few of the road bumps AMD faced with R600.

Apparently, the first spin of R600 silicon could only communicate over the debugging interface. While the upside is that the chip wasn't totally dead, this is not a good problem to have. We also overheard that a later revision of the hardware suffered from fragments getting stuck in pixel shaders. We even overheard one conversation where someone jokingly remarked that AMD should design hardware but leave the execution to NVIDIA.

In a wild bout of pure speculation on our part, we would have to guess about one other problem that popped up during R600's creation. It seems to us that AMD was unable to get their MSAA hardware to work properly and was forced to use shader hardware to handle MSAA rather than go back for yet another silicon revision. Please know that this is not a confirmed fact, but just an educated guess.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2988&p=1
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Just "an educated guess" not really worthy as news...
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Just "an educated guess" not really worthy as news...
Yeah, but it you hear enough bits and pieces.... you can get a better picture and draw your own conclusion.
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Okay look, I'm not supposed to tell you guys this.

In fact, I could be dead tomorrow, but the truth has to be known.

This is the real reason the R600 was delayed. Please... Don't look at this if you're faint of heart or pregnant.


















Yes, I know... It's disturbing. The truth has to be known though. ATI killed 7 members of my team, is currently pursuing me to stop me from revealing this information. I could be dead at any mo------
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We even overheard one conversation where someone jokingly remarked that AMD should design hardware but leave the execution to NVIDIA.
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Okay look, I'm not supposed to tell you guys this.

In fact, I could be dead tomorrow, but the truth has to be known.

This is the real reason the R600 was delayed. Please... Don't look at this if you're faint of heart or pregnant.

















Yes, I know... It's disturbing. The truth has to be known though. ATI killed 7 members of my team, is currently pursuing me to stop me from revealing this information. I could be dead at any mo------
I don't think thats the actual reason at all. Fanboy...
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Yeah, but it you hear enough bits and pieces.... you can get a better picture and draw your own conclusion.
If your assumption that the bits and pieces are related is correct.
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if that is true then they should fix it when they move to 65 nm
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Yeah I think I'm going to wait for 65nm on these; hopefully they fix the power issues then too.
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If your assumption that the bits and pieces are related is correct.
No, you do not have to assume anything right away. Get enough bits and pieces from multiple sources and draw your own conclusion. Like... how did we all know the delay of the R600? Bits and pieces of data from a few sources. AMD/ATI can say the R600 launched on time in May since they never offical announced a launch date. However, we ALL know that it was delayed.
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