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What, exactly, can you do with Linux? Can you write a document and share it with other people and have them be able to open and edit it? Can you setup a multi-user domain and control the access specific users have to specific functions of specific devices? Can you make it so someone can access the same calendar and email box from anywhere in the world exactly as if he was sitting at his computer at home? Can you run full-fledged desktop applications in your web browser? And, last but not least, can you do any of this easily through a GUI? If you can answer 'yes' to any of those questions and provide proof of how you would do it, I will be very amazed
Yes to all... If you want proof, try installing Linux some time.

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Gnome is actually really easy to use. Just as much as windows GUI. However, Linux failings are all in the setup+gaming. That's it.
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post #13 of 47
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The CEO of Sun accually pee'd on Gates' parking spot, and posted a video of it on the Sun website. It was funny.
Very mature of him...
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Very mature of him...
man. if anything would get me to install linux again "besides me likin it in the first place"

him peeing on his parking space sure will get me to try sun (i mean they got to be good if they got the balls to do that....)

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why couldn't linux nab DX9 and 10 while they where nabbing all the other 200 n sumtin patents lol
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post #16 of 47
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What, exactly, can you do with Linux? Can you write a document and share it with other people and have them be able to open and edit it? Can you setup a multi-user domain and control the access specific users have to specific functions of specific devices? Can you make it so someone can access the same calendar and email box from anywhere in the world exactly as if he was sitting at his computer at home? Can you run full-fledged desktop applications in your web browser? And, last but not least, can you do any of this easily through a GUI? If you can answer 'yes' to any of those questions and provide proof of how you would do it, I will be very amazed

As for the question about free software: Is it a good thing? Yes. Is it better then non-free software? Almost (99% of the time) never. Personally, up to this point, I don't think Microsoft is a bad company or had done anything bad for the consumer. However, this action (at least on the face of it), seems to push that out the window. If what the head lines are saying is correct, this seems like a purely power-hungry move by Microsoft to eliminate the, albeit small, competition posed by open-source software.

Yes to those questions. Setting up multi-user domain and user access control is unbeatable in Linux/UNIX.

Can you run full-fledged desktop applications in your web browser?

If you can in windows then you can in Linux, since a full-fledge app in a browser shouldn't care about what OS it is. If not, then its not a full-fledge browser app.


And, last but not least, can you do any of this easily through a GUI?
There are hundreds of thousand of OOS out there, you just have to discover it.


As for the question about free software: Is it a good thing? Yes.
Agreed. It allows anyone who is interested to look at the application code and see how it works. That is great if it's written in a language that you are trying to learn. It also allows you to legally modify the code if you have a little tweak you want to do to it.

Is it better then non-free software? Almost (99% of the time) never.
Hardly.
56% of the WWW servers use Apache, which is free software.
Pidgin > any other IM. It can do all of them and it has tons of plugins and features.
Firefox, Opera
The list could go on and on.
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At least someone is standing up to Microsoft, I wish we had more people like him in the industry.
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Yes to all... If you want proof, try installing Linux some time.

(OpenOffice saves in almost all formats)
(Multi User domains are kind of linux's thing)
(3rd is yes with RemoteDesktop)
(Java)
(Gnome or KDE, or any other GUI)
Point 1: Saving in and working with are two very different things. I saved a simple, 3 column document in OpenOffice on my laptop the other day, and when I opened it in Word, the formating of the entire page was screwed up. I saved it as a .doc file in Open Office, but just because its saved in the same format, doesn't mean its going to work. Not to mention the fact that Open Office doesn't support advanced features like macros.

Point 2: I know Linux can support multi-user environments, however, it can not provide the type of granular file permissions available with a Windows domain and NTFS drives. With Windows, you can configure Group Policy objects to allow certain users to access certain files at certain times, allow one group of users to have priority over another for things such as printer, even configure what control panel options are displayed for different users and groups. You can not do that in Linux, it simply does not support it.

Point 3: I'm not talking about Remote Desktop. Remote Desktop is way more complicated then you need for what I'm talking about (getting email/calendar/appointment book/etc remotely), plus its slow and complicated to setup (oh wait, so is Linux!). I'm talking about making an entry on calendar at work, flying to France, opening my laptop, and having the same calendar entry available there, with out having to do any sort of syncing or copying.

Oh, and Windows has Remote Desktop as well, if I ever needed log into my home computer remotely

Point 4: Java is ok for small things, but I'm talking about running an entire application in your browsers just as if you had it installed on your computer. You can do that with ActiveX. For example, I don't know if any of you have accounts on an MS Exchange server with Outlook Web Access configured, but if you do, login in FireFox or some other browser that does not support ActiveX and then login with IE. See the difference? I thought so

Point 5: If GNOME and KDE are so great, then why do I have to open up the terminal every time I want to so much as change my socks? The Windows control panel and the Microsoft Management Console provide WAY, and I mean WAY more configuration options then any Linux graphical control panel does.

I have used Linux, so I am not just spewing fanboy crap. Every single thing I say I know from personal experience with both operating systems. Linux is a fine operating system, however, it is at least 10 years behind Windows in terms of quality and power. Why? Because there are far more people putting forth a concerted, coordinated effort to make Windows good then there are working on Linux. Plain and simple.

EDIT: @ dangerousHobo: How is user access control "unbeatable" in Linux? In Linux you have 3 options for a file: read, write and execute. In Windows with NTFS you can set if a user can do any of the following:

Traverse Folder / Execute Data
List Folder / Read Data
Read Attributes
Create Files / Write Data
Write Attributes
Delete Subfolders and Files
Delete
Read Permissions

And more that I didn't list. Remember that I can set all of these, one of these, none of these, or any combination of them for any user or group I want.

As for the full-fledged applications thing, they only work in Windows because they use ActiveX, which uses Windows components to display the program. That way the you don't have to code every single thing for the program to do, you can make calls to Windows for different functions. If you find a program that can, for example, do everything I can do in MS Outlook but that runs in Firefox, let me know

Also, as for the free software thing: Some things can be done fairly well with free software, but as soon as you start getting into more advanced applications such as Office and the like, you quickly realize that there is no way to get enough skilled people working on the project unless you charge for it.
post #19 of 47
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What, exactly, can you do with Linux? Can you write a document and share it with other people and have them be able to open and edit it? Can you setup a multi-user domain and control the access specific users have to specific functions of specific devices? Can you make it so someone can access the same calendar and email box from anywhere in the world exactly as if he was sitting at his computer at home? Can you run full-fledged desktop applications in your web browser? And, last but not least, can you do any of this easily through a GUI? If you can answer 'yes' to any of those questions and provide proof of how you would do it, I will be very amazed

As for the question about free software: Is it a good thing? Yes. Is it better then non-free software? Almost (99% of the time) never. Personally, up to this point, I don't think Microsoft is a bad company or had done anything bad for the consumer. However, this action (at least on the face of it), seems to push that out the window. If what the head lines are saying is correct, this seems like a purely power-hungry move by Microsoft to eliminate the, albeit small, competition posed by open-source software.
Uh...ya. (to all of them). Some of them are even easier in Linux if you know what you're doing...lol.

Sorry man...

(everyone else already has proof...so I'm just gonna go along with it...cause it's basically what I was going to say)

Oh, and permissins for multi users is even BETTER in Linux...you can lock things, hide things, anything...not like Windows...ahaha. If you think it doesn't support something, you haven't tried hard enough...

Free software a lot of the time is better than stuff you pay for or just as good. So, it's kind of wrong to say most of the time it's junk...lol.

CPUz is free, Prime95/Orthos are free...

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post #20 of 47
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The CEO of Sun accually pee'd on Gates' parking spot, and posted a video of it on the Sun website. It was funny.
Right Chopes, but funny none the less...
    
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