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Uh...ya. (to all of them). Some of them are even easier in Linux if you know what you're doing...lol.

Sorry man...

(everyone else already has proof...so I'm just gonna go along with it...cause it's basically what I was going to say)

Oh, and permissins for multi users is even BETTER in Linux...you can lock things, hide things, anything...not like Windows...ahaha. If you think it doesn't support something, you haven't tried hard enough...

Free software a lot of the time is better than stuff you pay for or just as good. So, it's kind of wrong to say most of the time it's junk...lol.

CPUz is free, Prime95/Orthos are free...


Umm... What? How are permissions in Linux better? I can lock things, I can hide things... Name something I CANT do in Windows!
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EDIT: @ dangerousHobo: How is user access control "unbeatable" in Linux? In Linux you have 3 options for a file: read, write and execute. In Windows with NTFS you can set if a user can do any of the following:

Traverse Folder / Execute Data
List Folder / Read Data
Read Attributes
Create Files / Write Data
Write Attributes
Delete Subfolders and Files
Delete
Read Permissions

Umm... What? How are permissions in Linux better? I can lock things, I can hide things... Name something I CANT do in Windows!
Those three are just the tip of it all. As root, you can set what files a user can see, what files a group can see, which ones they can edit or execute. What directory they can use, which ones they can see, which ones they can enter. Can set them in a jail (they cannot leave a certain directory, ie: their home).
What commands and applications they can run. What devices they can use (ie, sound, cd/dvd drive, printer, etc). If they are allowed to even execute anything at all (save/write/read only). It goes on and on.

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The Overclock.net server is running on Linux
Its running on FreeBSD.
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Microsoft is sweet.
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I love Firefox, AIM, and most apps that are amazing and sponsored via ads.

I like Vista too because people develop for it.

Open office sucks. I used it for a while since I couldn't find my office DVD. I didn't like it one bit. It was annoying and office is much better for me...
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Those three are just the tip of it all. As root, you can set what files a user can see, what files a group can see, which ones they can edit or execute. What directory they can use, which ones they can see, which ones they can enter. Can set them in a jail (they cannot leave a certain directory, ie: their home).
What commands and applications they can run. What devices they can use (ie, sound, cd/dvd drive, printer, etc). If they are allowed to even execute anything at all (save/write/read only). It goes on and on.


Its running on FreeBSD.
Ok, so? Windows can do all that, easyer then Linux, and it can do more on top of it. So far you have said that Linux can do things Windows can, but you havnt said anything I CANT do with Windows. Linux is fine for a webserver or something like that, as long as you have an admin who knows what hes doing, but for anything more powerfull then that, Windows is just plain better

As someone else in this thread said, you get what you pay for
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...Name something I CANT do in Windows!
Feel safe from viruses without a virus scanner.
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Point 1: Saving in and working with are two very different things. I saved a simple, 3 column document in OpenOffice on my laptop the other day, and when I opened it in Word, the formating of the entire page was screwed up. I saved it as a .doc file in Open Office, but just because its saved in the same format, doesn't mean its going to work. Not to mention the fact that Open Office doesn't support advanced features like macros.
Your post is way too long to quote in total, but I just wanted to mention some things.

1) I saved a document in MS Word, and opened it in MS Word. It was full of garbage. I switched to OpenOffice.

2) Point 3 seems more suited to a server based data storage than network based. What I mean is: Google account, rather than VPN.

3) I can't believe anyone would use ActiveX as an argument to support windows. When I want to convince people Windows is great, I mention gaming, the massive number of free easily installable programs that do anything, and the familiar interface. I really dodge around the 'internet explorer' issue.

4) I dislike how whenever I have to do something unexpected in Windows, I have to regedit a key that doesn''t exist, or hex edit some DLL files. I mean seriously; are alpha shaded icons too much to ask?

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Linux is a fine operating system, however, it is at least 10 years behind Windows in terms of quality and power.
5) Power?...power!? What have you been smoking? Do you mean ease of use? The Windows kernel really lacks power!

I think you have to realize some things about free software...

-The best software in a category is either commercial, or sponsored by a large company like google.
-Most categories have hundreds or thousands of apps in them.
-Free software is almost always at the top. It may not be the best, but free software often makes up the top 5% of software for a given category, with buggy commercial apps falling behind that.

So technically, that other guy is correct; free software is ahead of 90-95% of buggy commercial software, and falls behind 1-2 great programs in a category.

Antivirus is a prime example of this. There are perhaps...5 antivirus programs that I would trust. Two out of five are free, but there's also hundreds of commercial AV programs that fall behind those few at the top.

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Umm... What? How are permissions in Linux better? I can lock things, I can hide things... Name something I CANT do in Windows!
Hide things.

Explorer can hide things, but the FS can't. And explorer is super easy to get around.
     
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Your post is way too long to quote in total, but I just wanted to mention some things.

1) I saved a document in MS Word, and opened it in MS Word. It was full of garbage. I switched to OpenOffice.

2) Point 3 seems more suited to a server based data storage than network based. What I mean is: Google account, rather than VPN.

3) I can't believe anyone would use ActiveX as an argument to support windows. When I want to convince people Windows is great, I mention gaming, the massive number of free easily installable programs that do anything, and the familiar interface. I really dodge around the 'internet explorer' issue.

4) I dislike how whenever I have to do something unexpected in Windows, I have to regedit a key that doesn''t exist, or hex edit some DLL files. I mean seriously; are alpha shaded icons too much to ask?


5) Power?...power!? What have you been smoking? Do you mean ease of use? The Windows kernel really lacks power!

I think you have to realize some things about free software...

-The best software in a category is either commercial, or sponsored by a large company like google.
-Most categories have hundreds or thousands of apps in them.
-Free software is almost always at the top. It may not be the best, but free software often makes up the top 5% of software for a given category, with buggy commercial apps falling behind that.

So technically, that other guy is correct; free software is ahead of 90-95% of buggy commercial software, and falls behind 1-2 great programs in a category.

Antivirus is a prime example of this. There are perhaps...5 antivirus programs that I would trust. Two out of five are free, but there's also hundreds of commercial AV programs that fall behind those few at the top.


Hide things.

Explorer can hide things, but the FS can't. And explorer is super easy to get around.

Umm... The file system cant hide things? What is your definition of hide? If you mean "prevent other users from seeing" then all I have to do is set the "List Folder / Read Data" permission to "deny" for who ever I dont want to see the file and boom! No see file!

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5) Power?...power!? What have you been smoking? Do you mean ease of use? The Windows kernel really lacks power!
How does the Windows kernel lack power? What does the Linux kernel do that the Windows kernel doesnt? Support less hardware?

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4) I dislike how whenever I have to do something unexpected in Windows, I have to regedit a key that doesn''t exist, or hex edit some DLL files. I mean seriously; are alpha shaded icons too much to ask?
What do you mean "unexpected"? And what the heck is alpha shading? The only time I have had to edit the registy in Windows is when I had to set the res in WC3 to widescreen because Blizzard doesnt support it.

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2) Point 3 seems more suited to a server based data storage than network based. What I mean is: Google account, rather than VPN.
Umm... ya. That IS server-bassed... Its Microsoft Exchange Server. I think its just a wee bit more powerfull then gMail

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1) I saved a document in MS Word, and opened it in MS Word. It was full of garbage. I switched to OpenOffice.
I'm sorry you had problems with MS Word. Prepair to have more with OpenOffice. Oh, and btw, Word starts in under 1 second on my computer, OpenOffice Write takes about 15-25 seconds



So far what I am hearing from the Linux fanboys is "Windows sucks, Linux can do everything Windows can do", but with out anything to back up your statements as to why Windows sucks, and ignoring the fact that Windows can do everything Linux can do and then some.
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one statement: "I smell MCSE fanboy"

M$ blows...get over it.
    
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