Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD CPUs › Why Opty 165??
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Why Opty 165?? - Page 2

post #11 of 21
Price / Perfomance = best bang for the bucks
what i always go for
DFI Opteron LYCAN
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Amd Opteron 165 "CCBBE 0610 DPMW" DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert eVGA 7950GT 256mb G.Skill F1-4000USU2-2GBHZ [2x1GB] (UCCC) [3-4-4-8] 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 2x250gb + 200gb Sata NEC DVDRW Err Acer al1916w 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech mx3100 laser mouse Antec TruePower-II 430w :Replacing: soon Antec 900 Logitech mx3100 wireless 
  hide details  
Reply
DFI Opteron LYCAN
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Amd Opteron 165 "CCBBE 0610 DPMW" DFI Lanparty UT nF4 SLI-DR Expert eVGA 7950GT 256mb G.Skill F1-4000USU2-2GBHZ [2x1GB] (UCCC) [3-4-4-8] 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 2x250gb + 200gb Sata NEC DVDRW Err Acer al1916w 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech mx3100 laser mouse Antec TruePower-II 430w :Replacing: soon Antec 900 Logitech mx3100 wireless 
  hide details  
Reply
post #12 of 21
The silicon used in the production of the Opteron line up is better than the X2s, so if you want to go AMD get an Opty. Also the 165 generally overclock very well. It doesn't mean all overclock well, just some batches.
me setup
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD X2 4600 MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum BFG 7950GT OC 256mb 2x1 gb OCZ Performance DDR400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung 80 GB, Maxtor 300 Windows XP Profession SP2 Acer 19', Proview 15' LCD G15 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ GameXtreme 600W Thermaltake Soprano Logitech MX518 SteelPad 5L 
  hide details  
Reply
me setup
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD X2 4600 MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum BFG 7950GT OC 256mb 2x1 gb OCZ Performance DDR400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Samsung 80 GB, Maxtor 300 Windows XP Profession SP2 Acer 19', Proview 15' LCD G15 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ GameXtreme 600W Thermaltake Soprano Logitech MX518 SteelPad 5L 
  hide details  
Reply
post #13 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by panzer126 View Post
The silicon used in the production of the Opteron line up is better than the X2s, so if you want to go AMD get an Opty. Also the 165 generally overclock very well. It doesn't mean all overclock well, just some batches.
From my understanding... it is the same silicon wafer, just a different location. The center of the wafer has lower errors so it more suitable for server grade CPUs.
Once again...
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 [4.28GHz, HT] Asus P6T + Broadcom NetXtreme II VisionTek HD5850 [900/1200] + Galaxy GT240 2x4GB G.Skill Ripjaw X [1632 MHz] 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Intel X25-M 160GB + 3xRAID0 500GB 7200.12 Window 7 Pro 64 Acer H243H + Samsung 226BW XARMOR-U9BL  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Truepower New 750W Li Lian PC-V2100 [10x120mm fans] Logitech G9 X-Trac Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
Once again...
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 [4.28GHz, HT] Asus P6T + Broadcom NetXtreme II VisionTek HD5850 [900/1200] + Galaxy GT240 2x4GB G.Skill Ripjaw X [1632 MHz] 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Intel X25-M 160GB + 3xRAID0 500GB 7200.12 Window 7 Pro 64 Acer H243H + Samsung 226BW XARMOR-U9BL  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Truepower New 750W Li Lian PC-V2100 [10x120mm fans] Logitech G9 X-Trac Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
post #14 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
From my understanding... it is the same silicon wafer, just a different location. The center of the wafer has lower errors so it more suitable for server grade CPUs.
that was my understanding also
Nigel
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X2 3800+ LDBFE, 2.6ghz ECS NFORCE4-A939 GeForce 8600GT 2Gb Corsair PC3200 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
120Gb Maxtor IDE LG DVD-RW Vista Home Premium Hanns G HW191D 
Power
generic 300w 
  hide details  
Reply
Nigel
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X2 3800+ LDBFE, 2.6ghz ECS NFORCE4-A939 GeForce 8600GT 2Gb Corsair PC3200 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
120Gb Maxtor IDE LG DVD-RW Vista Home Premium Hanns G HW191D 
Power
generic 300w 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by panzer126 View Post
The silicon used in the production of the Opteron line up is better than the X2s, so if you want to go AMD get an Opty. Also the 165 generally overclock very well. It doesn't mean all overclock well, just some batches.
I've seen this particular claim so often; I wonder if there has ever been any official declaration from AMD confirming this?

It's a curious point, though. What makes silicon A better than silicon B, for example? Isn't silicon just processed carbon anyway?

Interesting questions...
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC3 10600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Almost 8TB of storage AMD Stock Cooler Windows Home Server CoolerMaster SilentPro M 700W 
Case
Lian Li PC-V2000B (with thlnk3r mods) 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC3 10600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Almost 8TB of storage AMD Stock Cooler Windows Home Server CoolerMaster SilentPro M 700W 
Case
Lian Li PC-V2000B (with thlnk3r mods) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #16 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by txtmstrjoe View Post
I've seen this particular claim so often; I wonder if there has ever been any official declaration from AMD confirming this?

It's a curious point, though. What makes silicon A better than silicon B, for example? Isn't silicon just processed carbon anyway?

Interesting questions...
The growth machines always have errors and I guess the the center silicon is grown with less flaws. Also, depends on the kind of machines they are using. I can't remember the different types but one is apparently more reliable than the other(according to my dad)
The Naked Scooter
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 920 4Ghz@1.24V Asus P6T Deluxe eVGA GTX 285 12GB Patriot DDR3-1600 8-8-8-24@1.65V 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
2x640GB WD in RAID 0+1TB Seagate 7200.11 HP LightScribe DVD Burner Windows 7 Ultimate x64 22" Samsung 720p HDTV 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 1000W Antec TruePower Quattro CoolerMaster ATCS 840 Logitech G9x 
  hide details  
Reply
The Naked Scooter
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 920 4Ghz@1.24V Asus P6T Deluxe eVGA GTX 285 12GB Patriot DDR3-1600 8-8-8-24@1.65V 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
2x640GB WD in RAID 0+1TB Seagate 7200.11 HP LightScribe DVD Burner Windows 7 Ultimate x64 22" Samsung 720p HDTV 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 1000W Antec TruePower Quattro CoolerMaster ATCS 840 Logitech G9x 
  hide details  
Reply
post #17 of 21
I got an Opty 165 to go along with the craze, and I got an OK stepping, but it wasn't the 3 GHz so many seemed to promise. It was a good chip while it lasted, but my RAM and NB just couldn't deal with the volts they needed to get that thing to 3 GHz. I got it to 2.8 on stock voltages, but it wouldn't post past that, even when I really cranked up the volts.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790k @ 4.7GHz Asus Z97 Pro Gaming EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 @ 2050 MHz 32GB G Skill Sniper DDR3-2133 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel 600p m.2 512GB Crucial M500 SSD 960GB Toshiba X300 HDD 3TB LG Blu Ray Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Cooler Master Nepton 240m Windows 10 Pro Samsung 34" Curved Ultrawide (3440x1440) Samsung 22" Portrait (1080x1920) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Poker II Cherry MX Brown, KBParadise V80 Cherry... EVGA G2 650W Cooler Master Silencio 652s Steelseries Sensei Wireless 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Tekmat SIG 556 SMSL Q5 Pro DAC Bowers & Wilkins DM601 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790k @ 4.7GHz Asus Z97 Pro Gaming EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3 @ 2050 MHz 32GB G Skill Sniper DDR3-2133 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel 600p m.2 512GB Crucial M500 SSD 960GB Toshiba X300 HDD 3TB LG Blu Ray Burner 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
Cooler Master Nepton 240m Windows 10 Pro Samsung 34" Curved Ultrawide (3440x1440) Samsung 22" Portrait (1080x1920) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Poker II Cherry MX Brown, KBParadise V80 Cherry... EVGA G2 650W Cooler Master Silencio 652s Steelseries Sensei Wireless 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Tekmat SIG 556 SMSL Q5 Pro DAC Bowers & Wilkins DM601 
  hide details  
Reply
post #18 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by pow3rtr1p View Post
I got an Opty 165 to go along with the craze, and I got an OK stepping, but it wasn't the 3 GHz so many seemed to promise. It was a good chip while it lasted, but my RAM and NB just couldn't deal with the volts they needed to get that thing to 3 GHz. I got it to 2.8 on stock voltages, but it wouldn't post past that, even when I really cranked up the volts.
The Toledo Core in the 165 loves VCore past 2.8Ghz. Thats mainly my problem since I dont have the cooling to up the VCore but I have suicide shotted my CPU to 3Ghz so I know its possible!
The Naked Scooter
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 920 4Ghz@1.24V Asus P6T Deluxe eVGA GTX 285 12GB Patriot DDR3-1600 8-8-8-24@1.65V 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
2x640GB WD in RAID 0+1TB Seagate 7200.11 HP LightScribe DVD Burner Windows 7 Ultimate x64 22" Samsung 720p HDTV 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 1000W Antec TruePower Quattro CoolerMaster ATCS 840 Logitech G9x 
  hide details  
Reply
The Naked Scooter
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 920 4Ghz@1.24V Asus P6T Deluxe eVGA GTX 285 12GB Patriot DDR3-1600 8-8-8-24@1.65V 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
2x640GB WD in RAID 0+1TB Seagate 7200.11 HP LightScribe DVD Burner Windows 7 Ultimate x64 22" Samsung 720p HDTV 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 1000W Antec TruePower Quattro CoolerMaster ATCS 840 Logitech G9x 
  hide details  
Reply
post #19 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by txtmstrjoe View Post
I've seen this particular claim so often; I wonder if there has ever been any official declaration from AMD confirming this?

It's a curious point, though. What makes silicon A better than silicon B, for example? Isn't silicon just processed carbon anyway?

Interesting questions...
Silicon wafers are processed silicon.

Like everyone said above, there are always errors in producing and etching CPUs. When you are creating a few billion components on a 12" wafer, something will go wrong. The CPUs are designed to handle and work around these errors to an extent. Server CPUs must be very very stable so they require higher quality and less error chips. Therefore, server CPUs tend to get higher quality silicon and these tend to be at the center of the wafer. Silicon wafers are grown from the center out. Therefore, more errors start to occur on the outer edges.
Once again...
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 [4.28GHz, HT] Asus P6T + Broadcom NetXtreme II VisionTek HD5850 [900/1200] + Galaxy GT240 2x4GB G.Skill Ripjaw X [1632 MHz] 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Intel X25-M 160GB + 3xRAID0 500GB 7200.12 Window 7 Pro 64 Acer H243H + Samsung 226BW XARMOR-U9BL  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Truepower New 750W Li Lian PC-V2100 [10x120mm fans] Logitech G9 X-Trac Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
Once again...
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 [4.28GHz, HT] Asus P6T + Broadcom NetXtreme II VisionTek HD5850 [900/1200] + Galaxy GT240 2x4GB G.Skill Ripjaw X [1632 MHz] 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Intel X25-M 160GB + 3xRAID0 500GB 7200.12 Window 7 Pro 64 Acer H243H + Samsung 226BW XARMOR-U9BL  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Truepower New 750W Li Lian PC-V2100 [10x120mm fans] Logitech G9 X-Trac Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
post #20 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by beret9987 View Post
The growth machines always have errors and I guess the the center silicon is grown with less flaws. Also, depends on the kind of machines they are using. I can't remember the different types but one is apparently more reliable than the other(according to my dad)
This explanation makes sense, actually. The raw materials may be the same, but manufacturing processes always have variables that influence the final product. The point that different parts of the wafer produce chips with different maximum potential (because the ones further away from the center have more "flaws" to them) is also logical.

Actually, this is such a great explanation for why it's foolish (in my opinion) to "expect" certain overclock goals based just on stepping codes. Stepping codes indicate manufacturing date as well as IMC version, per many sources. Beret9987's explanation shows that, even though chips are made on the same day from the same piece of silicon wafer even, it depends where on the wafer they are.

Thanks for the lucid explanation again.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC3 10600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Almost 8TB of storage AMD Stock Cooler Windows Home Server CoolerMaster SilentPro M 700W 
Case
Lian Li PC-V2000B (with thlnk3r mods) 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X3 720 BE Gigabyte GA-MA790FXT-UD5P Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 2 x 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers PC3 10600 
Hard DriveCoolingOSPower
Almost 8TB of storage AMD Stock Cooler Windows Home Server CoolerMaster SilentPro M 700W 
Case
Lian Li PC-V2000B (with thlnk3r mods) 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: AMD CPUs
Overclock.net › Forums › AMD › AMD CPUs › Why Opty 165??