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I'm putting together a WC setup for my new quad core build, and I'd appreciate any comments/suggestions. The loop will only cool the CPU. This will be for a dedicated folding rig with a cheapo PCI GPU.

Edit: Updated list based on suggestions below.

Pump - D5 or MCP655 (still looking for the best price - $70 seems to be it)
Res - Swiftech MCRES-Micro Res - $17
Rad - Black Ice Stealth GT 360 - $55
CPU block - Fuzion - $60
Miscellaneous - T fitting for drain line - $1, DD fillport for drain line - $12, 6x clamps - $2.40

I'll be using ADDA fans (~85 cfm), PrimoFlex 1/2" I.D. tubing, and PrimoChill Ice coolant (the tubing and cooling is interchangeable with my other two systems). I already have some coolsleeves for use in this system.

Questions -

Pump - Is there any significant difference between the two other than branding? Does the new version of the MCP655 run at "full blast" compared to the old one since it's not adjustable?
Res - All set there. Those little rads are great.
Rad - My knowledge is the weakest in this area. The MCR220 I have now (came as part of a Swiftech Apex Ultra kit) has done a great job. I'm willing to spend a more if it means a meaningful difference in temps, but double the price for 1°C isn't worth it for me. Suggestions?
CPU block - I have a bad habit of finding something I like and then sticking with it. I already have two Apogees GTs and like them. I don't feel the extra expense is warranted for the Apogee GTX (about $30 for 1°C), but a few bucks more for a Storm or Fuzion might be attractive. Thoughts?

Hopefully I can work out something economically. If the price gets run up too much, I'll just go with another Swiftech kit.
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Looks fine.I like those little Swifty res's to I had one and really liked it..If you need to buy another cpu block I think I would get a Fuzion they seem to be the best of the new blocks...I don't know how well a Storm would be on a quad-core since its flow hits dead center on a single core...I think the Fuzion would be better....

If you find the Swifty rad isn't giving you the kind of temp's you would like try a 120x38mm fans on it...They have higher pressure and I think they do better on rads...A shroud will help some to..I run mine in pull..

....http://www.svc.com/kd1212pmb3-86.html
Sunon 120mm Ball Bearing Fan w/ 3pin 84CFM 35dBA

If noise doesn't bother you these are the ones I use for rads..

...http://www.petrastechshop.com/12x38sukddob.html
108 Sunon

...http://www.svc.com/fba12g12u.html
Panaflo 115cfm

Here is a real cheap Storm if your still interested in them...Scratch that I just looked at your link...

...http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-Sto...2-pr-3022.html
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EDIT: Yeah to my understanding the new variant with-out a rheo runs full speed...And Swifty and Laing are the same pump just re-branded by Swifty...
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Pump: No real difference. If you have a choice between variable and non, get the cheaper of the two. A D5 pump at full speed is still inaudible inside a case.
Rad: a 120.2 will be suitable for just a CPU. Which ADDA fans will be using exactly? If they are decent airflow, you may want to go with a thicker type rad.
Block: I believe the Apogee GT beats the Storm and hence the Storm has pretty much been discontinued. The FuZion is an excellent block and will beat a Apogee GT... unless you bow out the base of the GT.
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The non-variable pump is the cheapest (MCP655-B) at around $65. The D5 comes in about $5 above that with another $6 or so for the standard MCP655. Those are the cheapest prices I could find this morning, though I will consolidate my orders to keep from spending extra money on shipping in order to save a buck or two on the components. As long as the -B runs full out, you can't beat it for the money. I set my other pumps to full blast the day I got them and have not looked back.

As for the fans, they're 85 cfm, so they should provide pretty decent air flow without driving me nuts with noise. My office is far from silent with two WC systems and two air cooled systems, but I try to keep things to a reasonable level.

As for the thicker type rads, which one(s) would you recommend? Would a thicker rad cool more efficiently than a longer one? I'm going to run the rad external to the case, so space is not at a premium for the rad. Also, I may well add on a shroud. For $10-$12 bucks, it's a pretty cost effective way of helping out.

I'm kind of leaning towards the Fuzion just because it's different than what I already have and is down to a pretty reasonable price. I know the quad is going to kick out some major heat once I get done OCing it, so I definitely do not want to skimp on the block.
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As for the fans, they're 85 cfm, so they should provide pretty decent air flow without driving me nuts with noise. My office is far from silent with two WC systems and two air cooled systems, but I try to keep things to a reasonable level.

As for the thicker type rads, which one(s) would you recommend? Would a thicker rad cool more efficiently than a longer one? I'm going to run the rad external to the case, so space is not at a premium for the rad. Also, I may well add on a shroud. For $10-$12 bucks, it's a pretty cost effective way of helping out.
It all really depends on the fans and cost/benefit. For 85CFM fans, I would say you would be better off with a thinner 120.3 than with a thicker 120.2 rad.
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Yeah the thicker the rad the higher cfm fans you need on them to reach their maximum potential...Like a BIX performs best with 100+ cfm fans..


But the Thermochill fin array is made in such a way that lower cfm fans will work well on them even though they are thick..


But even thin rads like a BIP get a boost using fans up to around 90cfm...The thicker fans 120x38mm have a higher air pressure and I think they better scavenge air through the rad for better cooling...

You can always run a push-pull with your rad fans that would be good for a couple more C if you have the room for them..And yeah a shroud will help...

This is an interesting example of the BIP with higher cfm fans..

http://www.overclockers.com/articles1163/
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It definitely sounds like a thicker rad is not for me at this time. I wish I had somewhere to stash this setup other than my office at home, but I can best control the ambient temp in that room.

Anyway, with thinner rad being on the table, are there better performing ones than those I listed in my first post?

I'll give some thoughts to the push-pull arrangements. That would probably work for a 240 mm rad, though I'm not sure I'd want to slap six fans on a rad if I could help it. Shrouds are most effective on the pull side, correct (I currently have a shroud on my system configured to pull and no shroud on the ones that pushes).
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It definitely sounds like a thicker rad is not for me at this time. I wish I had somewhere to stash this setup other than my office at home, but I can best control the ambient temp in that room.

Anyway, with thinner rad being on the table, are there better performing ones than those I listed in my first post?

I'll give some thoughts to the push-pull arrangements. That would probably work for a 240 mm rad, though I'm not sure I'd want to slap six fans on a rad if I could help it. Shrouds are most effective on the pull side, correct (I currently have a shroud on my system configured to pull and no shroud on the ones that pushes).
With higher cfm fans that you have I think the GTS would be better..But they are a little more expensive..The Swifty would be fine especially if you already have one.

Yeah I think they are better on the pull side...I make mine out of aluminum channel..They are kind of a pain because you have to cut semi-circles out so they don't block fan flow...They are really nice and solid when you get them made....I just made a free standing one and used 3/4" on the pull side and 1/2" on the push side...I have heard that 1.5" is the optimum shroud depth...I seal them down with a little clear silicone...

Heres a pic...Its not quit done .....
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With higher cfm fans that you have I think the GTS would be better..But they are a little more expensive..The Swifty would be fine especially if you already have one.

Yeah I think they are better on the pull side...I make mine out of aluminum channel..They are kind of a pain because you have to cut semi-circles out so they don't block fan flow...They are really nice and solid when you get them made....I just made a free standing one and used 3/4" on the pull side and 1/2" on the push side...I have heard that 1.5" is the optimum shroud depth...I seal them down with a little clear silicone...

Heres a pic...Its not quit done .....
Forgive my WCing newbieness, but GTS = GT Stealth? If so, the prices really aren't all that bad. Jab tech has them for $48 and $55 for the 240 mm and 360 mm, respectively, which is only a bit more than the Swiftech equivalents. Where do you think the sweet spot is in priceerformance among those rads?

Just FYI, the only things I have at the moment are the fans (well, on the way), some tubing, and some coolant. I'll need to supplement the tubing and coolant for this build, and everything else is still up for grabs.

Due to the configuration of my various systems, I'm thinking to have the rad on top of the case on its side. I should also build a drain line into the system. Draining is about my least favorite thing to do with WC, and I'm sure a drain would be inexpensive and very helpful.
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yuo can put it on top like me in my sig
Thats a 480GTX i have but same idea...
and yup GTS= GT Stealth
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