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Okay. To all of you who are thinking of upgrading your system by buying a new GFX card, you're gonna want to read my story as it will answer your question as to "Why is my new GFX card sucking so much Ass?" My old system was as follows:

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (s939)
1x256MB DDR333, 1x256MB DDR400, 1x512MB DDR400
ATI X1800XL 256MB
ASUS A8N-E
Seagate 7200rpm 180gig
400w PSU (dual 12v1@18amps, 12v2@18amps)

So I was thinking that I could get the new 8800GTS and plop it in my PCI-E compliant mobo and be ready to do some hardcore gaming... boy was I wrong. First off, the card fried my mobo. Yes... that's right, the 8800GTS was so powerful, it fried my 1yr old mobo and rendered it useless. Pissed, but still anxious to test out the 8800GTS, I went back to the store, bought a new mobo that was 939 compatible, went back home, did the transplant, and everything worked.

Gaming, was horrible! It was worse than my X1800XL... I just couldn't believe that I dropped 540$ into my system and all I got was a worse system! So, as freaked out as I was, I searched oc.net for some answers to my dillema and the bottleneck issue popped up. It all made sense because even though I would lower the resolution and put all "eye candies" to min in every game, there was still choppieness that never occured with the x1800xl.

It turns out that in order to get insane performance from the 8800GTS, socket 939 technology is not the right choice mostly becuase it's dated and hard to find components for it. I was going to go for the Opty 165 DC but the store didnt have it and neither did ncix or tigerdirect... as I said, 939 is really dated.

So I went to the store the next day, and bought myself an Intel Core 2 Duo E6320 for its 4mb of cache, 2 gigs of DDR2-667, and a standard MSI mobo. The total cost came to 475$ CDN w/o tax. I came back home, did some major surgery on my PC, booted it up, and I am in love. My gf is gonna be jealous, oh boy...

Now I am getting the results everyone is talking about - like putting all settings to max and the 8800GTS gobbling it all up without breaking a sweat.

So, the point of this story is that any new gen cards need to be accompanied with new gen hardware, if not, you'll just get crappy perfomance due to incompatibility. That's how Intel and Nvidia and mobo manufacturers get you... through constant upgrades.

Here's a summary of my old PC and my new PC:

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AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (s939)
1x256MB DDR333, 1x256MB DDR400, 1x512MB DDR400
ATI X1800XL 256MB
ASUS A8N-E
Seagate 7200rpm 180G
400w PSU (dual 12v1@18amps, 12v2@18amps)

New PC
Intel E6320 Dual Core (4mb L2 cache) (s775)
2x1G DDR2-667
NVIDIA 8800GTS
Seagate 7200rpm 180G
MSI P965 Neo
400w PSU (Dual 12v1@18amps, 12v2@18amps)
 
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Yeah - I overclocked my 3700+ from 2200mhz to 2500mhz (dropped the multi from 11 to 10 and pushed the FSB up to 250) and I got an extra 1000 marks in 3DMark05
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Yeah, with gains like that on an OC the cpu is definitely bottlenecking. I still have to run 3dm06... I wonder what I'll get. What did you get?
 
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first of all, your 400w PS was not able to supply the power you needed, you had the amps, but the wattage was not there, (you need 450w+). If you had a more powerful PS, you would have been fine.
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Even if the cpu did bottleneck the 8800gts, you still should have notice a BIG improvement over your old video card, not the other way around.

But, I'm happy for you dude and have fun gaming on FULL eye candy!
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Originally Posted by Swtethan View Post
first of all, your 400w PS was not able to supply the power you needed, you had the amps, but the wattage was not there, (you need 450w+). If you had a more powerful PS, you would have been fine.
You'll notice that he's using the same psu to power his C2D rig, which I believe sucks more power than his previous s939 system. Although his sig rig sports a 450w Fortron.


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Originally Posted by bad_haze View Post
So, the point of this story is that any new gen cards need to be accompanied with new gen hardware, if not, you'll just get crappy perfomance due to incompatibility. That's how Intel and Nvidia and mobo manufacturers get you... through constant upgrades.
No offence, brother, but that's how they got you. Oblivion is smooth and silky on my rig, at 1680x1050 and everything cranked up, and I've got one of the worst steppings you can get for an Opty. You just dropped a wad on a great system, and it looks tasty, but give it a year and the same people who are telling you that s939 is dated and done will be saying the same about your c2d rig. It doesn't make it true, though.
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That videocard shouldn't bottleneck that CPU mate. It's a decent enough, balanced setup.
    
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Right on. I was aiming for a balanced rig As for the PSU, I am running a 450w Fortron (dual 12v@18amps each), so what I wrote in my story was a mistake. Oops...
 
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A dual core would definitely help with a video card like the 8800 though.
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