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Vista is made to run on any hardware that fits certain very basic specs. OSX is only made to run on a pretty limited set of hardware which is often different from its mainstream analogs. For example (dunno how this affects the OS tho) Mac's do not use BIOSes.
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post #22 of 40
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Originally Posted by rabidgnome229 View Post
Vista is made to run on any hardware that fits certain very basic specs. OSX is only made to run on a pretty limited set of hardware which is often different from its mainstream analogs. For example (dunno how this affects the OS tho) Mac's do not use BIOSes.
So it's basically a special motherboard :|
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I think there's more to it than that, but the motherboards are different.
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you can run OS X on ANY x86 motherboard with an intel chipset. google it...
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Originally Posted by JoBlo69 View Post
you can run OS X on ANY x86 motherboard with an intel chipset. google it...
So why can't Dell or any one just put OSX on a dell after they buy it?
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post #26 of 40
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you can run OS X on ANY x86 motherboard with an intel chipset. google it...
Not stock. You have to change the kernel a bit which is illegal.

You can make it run on other hardware - but it is not made to
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I run OS X on an AMD64 -- an older clawhammer athlon. It works, just can not do SATA drives for some reason... the drivers are few and far between let me tell you that.
    
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Why would you even want OS X? On second thoughts, why would you even want a dell?
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post #29 of 40
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Originally Posted by Crazy9000 View Post
I doubt Apple will allow this. Apple is in buisness because people like OSX, and must buy MAC hardware at a premium price to get it. If they allow Dell to offer OSX with Dell PC's, then apple will probally go out of buisness because people could just buy a Dell instead of a mac.
Apple and Microsucks have entirely different business models.

Microsucks produces an OS and Apps, and never intended to produce hardware (though they do produce keyboards, mice and now music players - this would b called peripherals and not PC's). Microsucks decided to license to PC mfgs their OS. Using monopolistic tactics they have managed to keep margins extremely high (50 to 60 points) while capturing 90 percent of the market place. The poor vanilla PC mfgs (Gateway, Compaq, IBM/Leveno, Dell and HWP, and any other flyby night Asian PC maker) have to compete solely on price. How do you compete on the same HW? This has eroded margins and destroyed many companies. While the cost of PC components have decreased over time, the cost of the Win OS has actually risen (on a percent of total PC costs). PC users should ask themselves why this is the case???? Can you say monopoly = no competition.

Sure Microsucks is finally feeling the pressure. Offering lower cost Win OS's to Asian markets because of pirating and the threat of Linux. Does Microsuck offer these same prices to Western countries? Of course not. Remember Monopoly. With the recent rejection of Vista by Dell users, and Dell's decision to ship Linux on their HW I believe cracks are starting to appear on Microsucks armor. Now Dell users want the superior OSX over Linux and Winsucks. Well, they will have to keep waiting. Though PC users should be excited. Again, Microsucks is hurting. Hopefully this will produce a change inside Microsuck, and good and secure software will finally be released at reasonable (read - FAIR) prices to it's customers.

Apple produces HW. The OS and apps have always been developed as an ancillary to the HW. Apple makes most of it's profits from HW sales. They garner ~ 20-30 basis points in margin. Still way below Microsucks 50-60 points, but higher than the vanilla PC box makers. I believe (and this has been shown through testimonials, tests and research) that Apple produces top quality HW. They differentiate themselves through industrial design that others try to mimic. Ease of use, just works and elegance is their strengths. Has always been. Some PC users like this, and chose to pay a little more. It's a business model. I hate this analogy, but BMW produces expensive vehicles. Why haven't they gone out of business? There are many much cheaper vehicles out there people can chose to drive. Besides BMW has a measly share of the marketplace. How can they survive?

Of course Apple wants to sell HW. You have to use OSX in order to use a Mac and vise verse. Apple controls the HW, and to open OSX up to the multitude of PC configs out there through licensing would be a nightmare. Look at all the questions on this site and others about incompatibility between HW, software and drivers. It's a nightmare. I do respect Microsucks for the challenge they have to face. This is the downfall of openess. Everyone (compaq, dell, hwp,...) all think they can do one better. Never truly creating compatible HW. There is a movement in the PC realm to standardize on one HW platform doing away of legacy technology (pararelle, serial, mouse/keyboard ports, BIOS, et. al.). When this happens, maybe Apple would consider selling shrinkwrap OSX to everyone, thus changing their business model to one like Microsucks.

It's funny to see Dell in such dire straights. They have come out and said that the lost cost business model has failed. They can no longer leverage mfg proficiency and scale to drive costs down anymore. This is one of the reasons Dell is trying to branch out into other ventures (Dell diddy - failure, Axium - failure, printers = failure,). HWP offers business services to generate profits. All vanilla PC mfgs are envious of Apples position, and would love to start to raise prices to generate higher margins. It'll be funny to see who tries first, and fails miserably. Dell bought Alienware because of their high end expensive systems that gamers want. I predict Dell is as good as done in the coming years. They dug a hole, and the hole is about to collapse. Dell (and others) would love to get out from under Microsucks. Apple's OS is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than MIcrosucks, and I'm sure Apple's licensing terms would not be anything like Microsucks. Imagine if all PC users used OSX. Reliable, secure, just works...imagine all of the cost savings!

About pricing:
Apple sells computers that are inline or bit more expensive than it's main competitors (HWP and Dell). They do not cost MUCH more as others have consistently proclaimed on this board. Sure Dell offers teaser computers to lure customers in, but then upsells, or sells addons (that usually come with the MAC). These cheap computers actually end up costing MUCH more than their advertised price.

For those that build computers - sure you can beat Apples prices. And Dell's and HWP's and..... Most PC user would never consider this, nor would have the know how to even start. Though it would be tough to beat building a high end system that Dell and Apple offers. Building also leads to other frustrations (i.e. incompatible peripherals, memory, drivers, etc...) . For most it isn't cheaper to buy "big box PC maker", just more reliable and less frustrating.

PC users shouldn't feel threatened by Apple (or iPod for that matter). Competition produces I believe better products. Without Apple - PC users wouldn't have Winsucks. See what great joy we have brought you (snicker).
post #30 of 40
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Originally Posted by oharag View Post
About pricing:
Apple sells computers that are inline or bit more expensive than it's main competitors (HWP and Dell). They do not cost MUCH more as others have consistently proclaimed on this board. Sure Dell offers teaser computers to lure customers in, but then upsells, or sells addons (that usually come with the MAC). These cheap computers actually end up costing MUCH more than their advertised price.
Dells are still much cheaper than Macs. Go onto both sites and build a computer for $1,000. Look and see which is better.
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