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Hey guys!

I just signed up here and have been reading through your posts and thread. i think you guys can be very helpful to me.

I would like to begin overcloking...here are the specs.
eMachines T3104
AMD Sempron 3100+
1.8 GHz
1600 MHz FSB
256 kb L2 Cache
512 MB DDR RAM
S3 UniChrome Video Card

What would you guys reccomend for the start of my overclocking on this computer? Also, I posted another topic on cooling once overclocking was started...anything you might be able to add is appreciated.

Paul
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100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
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post #2 of 18
Hi, and welcome to the forum

Please fill out your system specs in User CP Will make it easier for us to help you.

Check what options you have in the BIOS. Since it's a (cheap) pre-built, your options might be limited.... or maybe even none at all.

In BIOS, can you change:
- CPU frequency (HTT)
- RAM frequency
- RAM timings
- CPU voltage (vcore)
- RAM voltage (vdimm)

Let us know which options you have, and we'll go from there

EDIT: I believe it's an mATX motherboard with onboard graphics.. am I correct? If so, your options likely will be limited.
    
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post #3 of 18
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Hi Chozart,

Thanks for your reply!

I updated my system specs on the profile as well and complete as I could. I figured out the BIOS was a Phoenix...NONE of the options you had were there. I did find one thing: AGP Aperture size (now at 128 MB) expandable to 1 GB.

Is there any way to flash a BIOS so that I can overclock it?

Thanks,

Paul
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Sempron 3100+ First International Computer, Inc S3 UniChrome 3D 512 MB RAM 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
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eMachines Not sure (will update) Standard eMachines case Mitsumi 
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Sempron 3100+ First International Computer, Inc S3 UniChrome 3D 512 MB RAM 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
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post #4 of 18
I think flashing that BIOS *might* be possible, but you need to be very careful about it. You need to know the exact model of the board and download the CORRECT bios.

Even then, I doubt it will help you a whole lot.

aperture size won't help. That's just a tool to allow the video card to use some system RAM when it runs out of its own RAM.

Another option is software overclocking, and a tool you can use is Clockgen:
http://www.cpuid.com/download/ClockGen.zip

Generaly not as stable as overclocking in BIOS, but an option if you lack the BIOS settings needed for overclocking.
    
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post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
I think flashing that BIOS *might* be possible, but you need to be very careful about it. You need to know the exact model of the board and download the CORRECT bios.

Even then, I doubt it will help you a whole lot.

aperture size won't help. That's just a tool to allow the video card to use some system RAM when it runs out of its own RAM.

Another option is software overclocking, and a tool you can use is Clockgen:
http://www.cpuid.com/download/ClockGen.zip

Generaly not as stable as overclocking in BIOS, but an option if you lack the BIOS settings needed for overclocking.
How exactly do I use this program? It's asking for the PLL Selection? What should I choose?

Thanks,

Paul
eMachines T3104
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Sempron 3100+ First International Computer, Inc S3 UniChrome 3D 512 MB RAM 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
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eMachines Not sure (will update) Standard eMachines case Mitsumi 
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100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
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post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by paulrosenthal View Post
How exactly do I use this program? It's asking for the PLL Selection? What should I choose?

Thanks,

Paul
Here is some explanation. I hope that helps.
http://www.cpuid.com/clockgen.php

You basically need to know which motehrboard you have.

Your best bet is any of the ICS 9504XX family ... I'd guess the ICS 950405 is the most likely candidate.
    
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post #7 of 18
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Chozart,

I honestly do not know which one I have. Downloaded CPU-Z, determined it's VIA K8M400 (VT8380). Which one should I choose?

Paul
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Sempron 3100+ First International Computer, Inc S3 UniChrome 3D 512 MB RAM 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
eMachines Not sure (will update) Standard eMachines case Mitsumi 
Mouse Pad
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Sempron 3100+ First International Computer, Inc S3 UniChrome 3D 512 MB RAM 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
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eMachines Not sure (will update) Standard eMachines case Mitsumi 
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post #8 of 18
see edit in previous post.

It's a bit of an educated guess....

The closest board on their website was same brand, but different VIA chipset (slightly though).

Try that.
    
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post #9 of 18
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Chozart,

Honestly, I have no clue, there are different choices in the program. Which would be your best estimate I should choose that is in the list INSIDE the program?

Paul
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Sempron 3100+ First International Computer, Inc S3 UniChrome 3D 512 MB RAM 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Sempron 3100+ First International Computer, Inc S3 UniChrome 3D 512 MB RAM 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
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post #10 of 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paulrosenthal View Post
Chozart,

Honestly, I have no clue, there are different choices in the program. Which would be your best estimate I should choose that is in the list INSIDE the program?

Paul

Found the one that was the closest,

it says I can overclock pretty dang high.

What would you reccomend to start with?

Paul
eMachines T3104
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Sempron 3100+ First International Computer, Inc S3 UniChrome 3D 512 MB RAM 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
eMachines Not sure (will update) Standard eMachines case Mitsumi 
Mouse Pad
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Sempron 3100+ First International Computer, Inc S3 UniChrome 3D 512 MB RAM 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
100 GB DVD/CD-RW Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 Standard CRT monitor 
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eMachines Not sure (will update) Standard eMachines case Mitsumi 
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