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I've been researching for over 2 weeks now (when I had trouble running WoW and googletalk simultaneously, and finally decided my old pc needed to be retired), and have made my way to this forum... you guys seem so helpful I couldn't click 'buy' without your advice!

What I do
- Multi-task like mad. I expect my applications to run all at the same time and all at lightning speed. I get bored of waiting and have a short attention span, so while I'm copying 3GB of music in one direction, and 7GB of movies in another, I *don't* want to hear my music skip and I expect my Excel sheets and browsers to be unaffected by me bringing my pc to it's knees...
- Playing WoW. I have been sucked in by World of Warcraft, at the expense of most other games...
- Enjoy peace and quiet! I spend hours, days at my pc... I am starting to get very frustrated by the sound of my Raptor seeking... hush!

What I have so far
Sonata II, Ultra XFinity 600W psu (haven't decided if I'm going to swap out the sonata ii psu for this one yet...)

Budget
Flexible. What I'm looking for here is best price point to do what I need it to do for the $$. While I could *technically* spend 2k on this, I just don't find it necessary.

Where my research has led me
CPU - e4300 or e6420? One seems to get mad O/C, the other might be a little more future-proof...

RAM - Through these forums it looks like the GSkill HZ is the way to go, however I am a fan of deals and specials at heart... so I'm contemplating all the memory in this thread A SLICK summary of RAM deals in one post. The question is, do I need better RAM to O/C the 6420 vs the 4300? Can I get away with cheaper than the Gskill hz? Or should I go for better? (these are things that are giving me headaches and delaying my new pc build euphoria!)

MB - I was sold on the Asus P5B deluxe/wifi (I'm a sucker for bells/whistles all neatly integrated), then I came here. Then I also realized this board doesn't support SLI and I'm looking at an Nvidia gpu. *sigh*
Other options I've seen are p5b plus (though I can afford more, and wondering if this board will bottleneck me somewhere in the future), or the P5n32 e sli (about the same price as my original choice, add sli, but no fun toys)

GPU - XFX PVT71JUHE4 GeForce 7950GT 256MB I'm not sure it's worth the extra $55 for the 512MB...
SLI options... I know it's not worth buying into SLI at the start, but what I was thinking is if I want more graphics power 6 months from now, this card will be a very cheap addon...
I compared this to the ati x19## that are slightly faster than this, but they seem to run so hot that I would require a fan, and I want silence! (well, as much as possible anyway)



I do plan on OCing this system (you will likely hear from me again in a few weeks ), though not to the show-off point, just to the "I got an awesome deal and I have this really smug look on my face" point

I appreciate any help you have time to give, and thanks in advance!
    
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One of the main advantages of the E4300 over the E6420 is that it allows you to purchase much cheaper components and still get a fantastic overclock. You could buy a set of $85 G. Skill DDR2 ram and a Gigabyte S3 for $99 and still get a 3 ghz+ overclock out of it. If the quiet is very important to you the 7950GT is a good choice over the x1950xt. The x1950xt offer terrific performance especially for the price but makes a prodigious amount of noise when the fan in on 100%. So for bang for your buck I would say go with the E4300, some cheap DDR2 800 (as the 9x multiplier means that at 400 fsb for a 3.6ghz overclock your ram is running at stock speeds.), a Gigabyte S3 (Excellent overclocking motherboard especially for the money. The only thing the DS3 has that it does not is solid capacitors which are really not very important to the vast majority or users.), and the 7950GT you were thinking of getting (Unless you plan on going to Vista in which case I would recommend a Direct X 10 compatible GPU. Also whether or not you should get the 512mb version is really dependant on what resolution you game at.)
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post #3 of 18
I personally think you have made some very good choices there, though I am not a big fan of the Ultra brand PSU's.

When it comes to the CPU I would go ahead and get the 6420, if for no other reason then the extra cache. The 6420 will overclock well enough, like you said, your not looking to break any records!

When it comes to the ram, you would need better ram overclocking the 6420 then the 4300, as the 6420 has the lower internal multi (8 versus 9 on the 4300), and thus, puts more stress on the ram when overclocked to its limits (the ram has to run faster to keep up). I say go with the GSkill HZ, as they are proven ram, and will no doubt serve you well for some modest overclocking.

The motherboard, I'm a huge fan of the 680i motherboard, and the P5N32E-SLI is undoubtedly one of, if not the best one for the money. You will not be disappointed with the 680i in any way, I say pick it up!

The graphics card, I think you made a great choice with the 7950, though the 512mb will help out at higher resolutions. If you playing at <1440 stick with the 256, anything above, jump to the 512.

Anyways, looks like you have done your research. Good luck with your build!
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I am just putting down a suggestion for a whole rig, which is WAY below your $2,000 mark:
  • Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $139.99
  • ASUS P5N32-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard $199.99
  • EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card $294.99
  • SILVERSTONE OP750 ATX12V / EPS12V 750W Power Supply $169.99
  • Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 Conroe 2.13GHz LGA 775 $189.00
  • G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ $119.99
  • Two in RAID0 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3250620AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $139.98
  • Sony NEC Optiarc 18X DVD±R DVD Burner, OEM Version Black SATA Model AWG170S-B2 $31.99
  • Tuniq Tower 120 P4 & K8 CPU Cooler $64.99
Total: $1,350.91

Comments:
  • Case: The sonata is fine, but not exactly the case with the best airflow
  • MoBo: get this one.. not much more than the P5B Deluxe WiFi, and SLI. A PCI WiFi card is cheap, and that's really all you miss
  • Video: 8800GTS FTW. Faster than the 7950GT by quite a margin. And DX10 ready.
  • PSU: please get a better PSU than any of the ones you have. The Ultra might do ok, but if you want to be sure... spend the money on a better one.
  • CPU: If you have the money, of course get the E6420: overclocks better (probably 3.5GHz v. about 3.0GHz for the E4300), lower temps (the E4300 is a hot head... given the thermal paste between the IHS and the cores, while the E6420 is soldered), and 4MB cache
  • RAM: not even going to discuss it...
  • HDD: get a pair for RAID0.. you'll love it.
  • DVD: SATA... get rid of IDE cables!
  • Cooling: it doesn't get a whole lot better..although there are some nice new ones
    
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post #5 of 18
You like to multitask? E4300 today Q6600 July 22nd when they drop to 266$ =)

I Agree with the above the poster, Silverstone OP750 PSU FTW!

I would Get a Raptor for the Main drive and a Barracuda 7200.10 for the storage drive. Don't buy anything with less than 16MB cache (not tha the'res many with more than that hehe), it make a BIG difference in multitasking.
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3 responses in 14 minutes??? I'm going to recommend you guys to all my friends

e6420 it is, the comment about it being cooler than the 4300 sold me, as cool=quiet. (Course Fry's had the 6600 for 199 w/ a free subpar mobo in the deal, missed that one lol)

GSkill HZ - sounds like a solid choice (guess I will have to bypass my "I need a rebate/coupon/deal" side, and my "Damn those fins look cool on that OCZ memory!" side.)

VCard - the EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB looks powerful, but loud! Does anyone have any experience with this card and can comment on sound?

Drives - I didn't mention hds in my original post, but I definitely want to go raid 0 for my O/S drive, and a couple 500 GB ones for storage. If the Sonata is enough to quiet down my 74GB raptor, I'll get a second one and raid those, otherwise I'll be on the lookout for fast and quiet drives...

For the PSU, can I tell if I need better after I build? If I have enough power for my setup, what's the advantage to spending that much money?

Thanks again, you guys rock!
    
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3 responses in 14 minutes??? I'm going to recommend you guys to all my friends

e6420 it is, the comment about it being cooler than the 4300 sold me, as cool=quiet. (Course Fry's had the 6600 for 199 w/ a free subpar mobo in the deal, missed that one lol)

GSkill HZ - sounds like a solid choice (guess I will have to bypass my "I need a rebate/coupon/deal" side, and my "Damn those fins look cool on that OCZ memory!" side.)

VCard - the EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB looks powerful, but loud! Does anyone have any experience with this card and can comment on sound?

Drives - I didn't mention hds in my original post, but I definitely want to go raid 0 for my O/S drive, and a couple 500 GB ones for storage. If the Sonata is enough to quiet down my 74GB raptor, I'll get a second one and raid those, otherwise I'll be on the lookout for fast and quiet drives...

For the PSU, can I tell if I need better after I build? If I have enough power for my setup, what's the advantage to spending that much money?

Thanks again, you guys rock!
Regarding PSU, I would definately pick the Ultra over the Stock Antec with the Sonata.

That PSU should be good enough for at least a while. The problem is though that Ultra doesn't have *that* good a reputation. I would use it though, since it's a higher wattage Ultra, and your rig won't really stress it that much. However, check voltages, and if you see extreme fluctiation, or voltages that are just too far off from what they're supposed to be, then think about replacing it.

I just helped build someone a rig with an E6420 and the 8800GTS. That rig ran VERY quiet (during the build we didn't put a heavy load on the video card though).

Note: the prices in my previous post are from www.newegg.com.
    
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I will look into voltages, not something I previously knew about (obviously my research lead me everywhere *except* psus lol.)

Would the same memory and mobo work for o/cing the e6600? (the prices are so close now...)
    
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Stick with G.Skill HZ's. They will overclock like a [insert simile] on speed.
    
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First off welcome to OCN! This is by far one of the best forums I've been on! very helpful folks

Regarding your build, Chozart (I'm going to make you a Chozaapproved stamp Chozart ) pretty much laid it down for you! that's the best setup for that range, for multi tasking c2d's should be perfect, I'd say wait a couple months for prices to go down on the quad core and then you'll REALLY multi task
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