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Most fan speed cont... are just an adjustable resistor, so it can only reduce the speed of the fan. If you are looking for max speed just plug directly in.
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Varekai,

I too have a Windsor AMD 64 X2 4200+ AM2 socket 89W CPU and I will be overclocking it this weekend. I just received my Zalman 9700 in the mail today with Arctic Silver 5 thermal grease. The 9700 is better than the 9500 because the fan is 110mm as opposed to the 92 mm fan on the 9500, so it can move more air across the fins (or move the same air as the 9500 at a slower speed, meaning it'll be quieter). Also, that chrome plating on the 9500 looked suspect to me. I don't have numbers to back me up, but from what I remember from my heat transfer courses, plain old copper is just about the best (unless you want to drop a few hundred on a silver cooling system lol). The chrome plating should make it more durable though, but unless you're constantly fishing around inside your case it shouldn't be an issue.

As for the thermal grease, you want as thin of a layer as you can get that still COMPLETELY covers the entire heat sink. The thicker the layer of grease, the lower the rate of heat transfer. However, incomplete coverage is even worse. The difference between the rate at which heat conducts through the thermal grease compared to the rate of heat transfer from air convection is HUGE. Gaps in the thermal grease are bad news. I'd recommend cleaning the surface of the CPU heatsink as well as the surface of the Zalman heatsink before applying the thermal grease. You want to get off any grease, oil, and minerals by dabbing a cotton swab in acetone (or rubbing alcohol) and gently and carefully wiping off the heatsinks. Make sure the surface is dry, and swab some Artic Silver 5 on the Zalman heatsink, spreading evenly. Then put a very small dab on the CPU heatsink (center) and lock it all in place.

I'll post some numbers relating to temp's of the 4200 before and after installing the Zalman as well as what numbers I get from my overclock. I'll also post any info I get on this fan controller. My CPU is running on an ASUS A8N32-SLi Deluxe motherboard with 2 gigs (dual channel) of Corsair PC2 6400 C4, an Antec TruPower 550W PS, nVidia 7900 GTO graphics card, and a full ATX case with one 120mm front intake fan, two 120mm rear fans, and a side vent.

I'd be very interested in hearing what numbers you guys get from your overclocks. Keep posting!
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I will, thank you very much. I was waiting for the Artic stuff to settle as it said it takes 50-200 hours, but Im thinking of removing the stuff and redoing it with just a dab. I did what you said before, wiping it with 90% alcohol (cant find any stores around me with 99%) and Im removeing the fanmate thing to see if the fan will run at full speed like it should. Then I will wait another week for it to settle. I think one problem is my case cooling. I can only fit a 80mm fan on the back of my case which is only half alligned with the Zalman, but its a nice fan, Antec Tri cool at full bast. Then I have a 80mm fan on lower left corner of the side of the case near the video card that blows inward, came built into the case, and one in the front of the case which I cant tell which way is blowing lol.

Unfortunately I cant add any more fans or even bigger ones, nor do I have the money to afford a new case. Also if I got a case even 3 cm taller I cant fit it into my glass computer desk, I had to pull the little rubber feet off my current case just to get it to fit. I wonder if my temps are so high cause I live in miserable humid Florida where its 80°F. Anywho thank you for the post, later tonight I will remove it and redo everything.

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I will, thank you very much. I was waiting for the Artic stuff to settle as it said it takes 50-200 hours, but Im thinking of removing the stuff and redoing it with just a dab. I did what you said before, wiping it with 90% alcohol (cant find any stores around me with 99%) and Im removeing the fanmate thing to see if the fan will run at full speed like it should. Then I will wait another week for it to settle. I think one problem is my case cooling. I can only fit a 80mm fan on the back of my case which is only half alligned with the Zalman, but its a nice fan, Antec Tri cool at full bast. Then I have a 80mm fan on lower left corner of the side of the case near the video card that blows inward, came built into the case, and one in the front of the case which I cant tell which way is blowing lol.

Unfortunately I cant add any more fans or even bigger ones, nor do I have the money to afford a new case. Also if I got a case even 3 cm taller I cant fit it into my glass computer desk, I had to pull the little rubber feet off my current case just to get it to fit. I wonder if my temps are so high cause I live in miserable humid Florida where its 80°F. Anywho thank you for the post, later tonight I will remove it and redo everything.

Heres my rig

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You need to make sure the front case fan is blowing air into the case, then the cpu fan nees to move air from the front of case toward the back of case, and make sure the rear fan in blowing air out of case. If any 1 of these fans are not in this configuration you could be loosing 1/3 of the air flow, and if 2 are backwards you can loose more than 1/2 of the flow. The Zalman cpu hs rely's heavily on air flow.
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Well I have the back and cpu fan blowing to the back, I jsut cant feel which way the front one is blowing. Ill have to take it apart and try and figure it out.
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As long as you haven't tampered with the front fan it should be blowing in the correct direction (into the case). I can't imagine the manufacturer of your case would screw that up.

Here are my initial (kinda sad lol) benchmarks. All of this is with stock cooling and no overclock. CPU: idle 38C, full load (several minutes of Orthos putting each core to 100%) 58C. The CPU hovers around 48-50C during gaming. CS:S stress test: 125.74 fps. 3D Mark06 score: 4077 with SM 2.0: 1483, SM 3.0: 1773, and processor: 1649. Now it's time to install the Zalman and get some new numbers!
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Well I reapplied the Thermal Paste and my temps have gone down a couple degrees. I took off the fanmate thing but Im still only getting 1500rpms are so. Something I noticed tho, I was watching the temps and speed in the BIOS, everytime the temp went up 1 degree, the fan speed went up about 50-100 rpms are so. A couple settings are enabled by default, SMART Fan speed and SMART CPU temp, or something like that. Could it be that the BIOS wont let the fan speed go any faster because the temps of the CPU are good? Or is there a program out there to raise my fan speed. I dont really trust useing SmartFan because of how inaccurate it is for my computer.
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Well I reapplied the Thermal Paste and my temps have gone down a couple degrees. I took off the fanmate thing but Im still only getting 1500rpms are so. Something I noticed tho, I was watching the temps and speed in the BIOS, everytime the temp went up 1 degree, the fan speed went up about 50-100 rpms are so. A couple settings are enabled by default, SMART Fan speed and SMART CPU temp, or something like that. Could it be that the BIOS wont let the fan speed go any faster because the temps of the CPU are good? Or is there a program out there to raise my fan speed. I dont really trust useing SmartFan because of how inaccurate it is for my computer.
Your observations suggest that, indeed, your motherboard is set to ramp up the fan speed according to the thermal loading. It will only speed the fan up when temperatures reach certain levels.

I'd disable the SmartFan setting in the BIOS if you'd prefer to run your fan at maximum RPMs at all times.

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Well I let the Grease settle for a week. With my computer running for 2 days straight and some gameing and DVD burning my CPU is sitting at 34°C, so I think Im ready to start Overclocking. Whats my first step? Or is there a guide I can follow?
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http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ing-guide.html
Here you go. Follow the guide by testing the max for each of your components. Your processor typically gets OCs of about 2.5-2.8Ghz. Also, since you're using air cooling, try to stay below 1.5v.
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