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What some people seem to be misconstruing is that I'm against all that is Conroe and a fast processor. NO... look at my sig rigs. I've got THREE C2D rigs all with MISERABLE cpu/gpu performance characteristics. The reason I have three is because I do a lot of Folding@Home and require heavy CPU computing hardware, which C2D does, and does well. For gaming, I've two rigs, the sig rig and my bro's. You'll notice BOTH are 20.1" screens (16x12, 1680x1050) and BOTH well matched in processing power to the Monitors' refresh rate in the games we play with the 1900XT(X)s but VASTLY different in CPU speed. 3.6 Conroe versus 2.6 X-2. We get identical performance at like GFX clocks in HL2/FEAR/BF2142/C&C3 at native resolutions and eye candy on.

Here's my example: C2D @ 4025mhz on Phase X2 4800+ @ 2900mhz on water--which one wins the benchmark war in GFX? The one with the better GFX cars of course

I benched the heck out of those rigs--and the better GFX cards won it for the AMD....

No such thing as too slow a processor in most cases...as nearly all the tedious processing is offloaded to the GFX.
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post #52 of 135
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For you, be careful. I think a P4 may or may not be riding the ragged edge of that 60FPS limit in some games. Multithreaded future games, more so. But, even a cheapy x-2 rig with a 8800GTX and a huge monitor to use up all that graphics power, you will be fine.
A Pentium 4 is slow enough in games that it will often be the bottleneck in the latest ones with a good GPU. Basically any overclocked dual core is fast enough to get you out of this realm though.
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I second the motion
This means a lot coming from you CD.

I'd just like people to get what's best for them. Most but not all will realize what's best for them after reading this. Either way, thanks for the support.
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The one with the better GFX cards of course
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I'd just like people to get what's best for them.
This is why I have always had such an intense dislike for the "HURRR GET A CONROE!" crowd. I think the C2D's are awesome chips, especially since I do lots of video encoding, which is why I have a C2D and a cheesy gpu in my media PC in the living room. When I built my gaming system, I KNEW that it was a waste of money that could be invested in the GPU instead at the budget I was working with, so I went with the 3600+.

People get so caught up in trying to one-up people on the internet that they've never met face-to-face that they end up shooting themselves in the foot.

Can't see the forest for the trees...
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Even if you are 100% right... at least the CPU won't need upgrading for quite a while.
Yes, but if the he was right than the CPU didnt need upgrading at all, and by the time he did there would be much better bang for the buck.
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If anyone is unsure if they NEED a new CPU. All they have to do is lower the resolution to 640x480. If the frames go up, they are GFX card limited. If not, they are CPU limited. Its that simple.

I think there are many reasons to upgrading the CPU. But I believe the intent of the OP is strictly for a gaming bottleneck sense. So if you are planning to get a new CPU for other reasons, then by all means get the best you can afford or fits what you need. If you are debating it because you feel you could get more frames in games then I think its a waste of money no matter how much longer it will last you before you have to upgrade again.

Also, I noticed someone said they thought they needed a new cpu because they had 100% usage while playing a game. That doesnt mean anything. It will most probably use 100% no mater what processor you put in there. (with the exception of multicore on single threaded games)
 
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Well, your CPU will generally ALWAYS go 100% usage (at least on a single core and 50% on a dual) as your CPU's resources will always be taken by the game. However, even if your CPU is 'waiting' to be fed it's next line of work, it is counted as being 'used'. An example is my E6600 while folding; when it's working on an SMP WU it's listed as having 100% CPU usage but only hits 55C coretemp. While running a stress program like OCCT it also reads as 100% usage but is at 60C now. How can that be if the CPU is at 100% usage? Simple, because folding has a lot more 'waiting' involved. Branched programs can cause a lot of cpu resources being taken up but not being utilized because they are waiting for an answer to move on. Waiting on memory accesses can do the same thing.

Even so, this argument dies a few days ago.


Oh, and.... bump.
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*hearty applause*

Well done duke-hater!

You're gonna get what you deserve...
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Thanks Syrillian, hopefully a sticky. More people need to notice this.


<stealth bump>
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I must commend you on the amount of research and time you put into this post. Good work!
I'm still hoping my fps will rise when I get the Conroe!
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