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Maybe we should write up a petition and have everybody we know to sign it. If we can get support from rich people maybe they can sue MS for all of us. This is unacceptable unless Bill Gates thinks it's alright for somebody to take pictures of him taking a crap and post the picture everywhere in the public. America always wanted democracy everywhere in the world, but it looks like MS and the government are negating it in their very own American home.

If this does happen, the sale of MS products might be banned in some countries for international security. If the Patriot Act fully support this then the government holds no merit in protecting its own constitution.
good idea we shud get a petition on ocn
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OCN won't support a politics related thing, check the TOS... It'd probably have to be third party and then you might be able to get away with posting it as an external news item link once or twice.. maybe, from what I've seen it'd be hit or miss.
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Is anything safe anymore? It seems that as every day passes there is yet one more right that we as americans have is violated.
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Nope, nothing ever has been safe. The only thing that keeps it safe is keeping the government in check to the population's demands. When the government runs the country, all is lost.
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I find all of the crying and wailing I see in this thread both humorous and concerning at the same time. Humorous because it's been going on for a decade now. Concerning because too many people don't seem to know much about what they're complaining about.

Let's clarify something: you have no constitutional "right to privacy". Privacy is a transient concept, a social convention; and is therefore properly encoded as laws, which can be changed by the government to reflect changing social norms. Privacy laws relating to internet communications are the same ones governing telecommunications; which is why the RIAA needs a subpoena to get the names of music downloaders.

What's the point, Vulcan...well, I have two points actually.

First, social convention has already decided that it is okay to track what we're doing on someone's site. That ship has sailed, folks. As soon as the cookie was invented, and some smart people figured out how to keep track of your browsing history and offer targeted ads, it was long gone. And this happened what, ten years ago? Acting all surprised that this takes place now, or being surprised that software companies are improving the tracking process, is somewhat disingenuous.

Second, let's remember that many times we are explicitly granting sites permission to track us, to deliver targeted ads, and to sell the information they collect to third parties. Many times the terms are presented in those lenghtly legal documents that everyone scrolls right past to find the "I Agree" button. They may not say that in such clear terms; but quite often, that's what you're agreeing to when you create an account, register a product, fill out a survey, enter a sweepstakes, or do anything else that leaves a digital footprint that can be harvested in some way.

This is no different than the grocery store membership cards that I'll bet everyone here old enough to buy their own groceries possesses. The stores use that card to track your purchases so that their business intelligence software can determine what products are selling better, if placing X next to Y increases purchases of either or both, how to nicrease impulse purchases, etc. "But I get something out of that Vulcan!" you say...bollocks. You're not getting any discounts from those cards that the store didn't offer before the card concept existed. Stores used to simply put things on sale; but now you have to join their "club" to get the "sale price". They coerced you into giving up personal information in order to get something you were already receiving...not exactly a good trade, but it's one we are almost universally willing to make.

Finally, let me point out once again (I've said it before in older threads) that the happy days of anonymity and privacy on the net are nearing their end. You think this proposal invades your privacy? You ain't seen nothing yet, folks. I'm thinking that in 10 years, 20 at the most, anonymity on the net will be a nice story we tell our grandkids. The ability to track every packet back to an individual person, not just some random IP address, is the only way to stop the spam, spyware, and online fraud problems we have. "But I'm willing to live with those problems to keep anonymity, they don't affect me!" Nonsense. Something like 70% of the traffic on the web is spam. A similarly ridiculously high percentage of PCs have been turned into zombies on botnets. If this kind of crap isn't stopped, there won't be a usable internet! Actions will be taken, and the most likely option is to remove anonymity.

So in closing, to all of you so concerned about "right to privacy", you have only one good option: stay off the net.
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