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post #31 of 41
I really like having this a reference for OC'ing. Knowing this means I didn't do something wrong with my settings.
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post #32 of 41
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I know, old news. However, does this apply to all 680i boards? Is it a bios issue that may have been fixed with the more recent bios updates?
This applies to all overclocking boards in general. Every board that overclocks will have a "strap" somewhere, where the FSB frequency will exceed the boards capabilities at certain latencies (usually on the northbridge), and the latencies will be loosened. As the frequency increases pass this loosening point and on to the next, relative ratio of performance increases.

As chozart said 7 months ago, its like RAM.

Theoretically, RAM that has to drop its latencies from 4-4-4-12 to 5-5-5-15 at 900MHz will run much better at 4-4-4-12 899MHz than 5-5-5-15 900MHz. But as clocks are increased towards the next strap, lets say, at 1000MHz, performance ratio's increase. 5-5-5-15 999Mhz would run faster than 6-6-6-18 1000Mhz.

And overall, the higher clocks prevail, as long as it doesn't rest too close after the strap. In other words, don't pass 900Mhz unless you plan on passing it by a lot, say to 930+Mhz.

Hope I didn't confuse too many.
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post #33 of 41
this whole strap issue has been a torn in my side for the last 2 weeks. I'm trying to figure out what the max performance I can get out of my sig RAM is. I've been using EVEREST to bench. Currently I get better performance at 427Mhz @ 5-5-5-12 than I do at 500Mhz @ 5-5-5-12, which is crazy.

Also its worth noting that a way around this strap issue is to overclock in windows using ntune or clockgen as the strap can't change as you increase the FSB. But this will also lead to stability issues earlier as the motherboard can't force a loosening of its latencies.
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Did you honestly just recommend someone overclock using ntune or clockgen? Wow, that's a mistake.
    
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Did you honestly just recommend someone overclock using ntune or clockgen? Wow, that's a mistake.
No its true, By clocking from windows using clockgen, you can achieve more performance than without it. Since you have already booted into the lower strap, you then OC from within widows without jumping to a different strap. The extreme overclockers use this method.
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post #36 of 41
sure more performance, but at the cost of bricking your board. nTune and clockgen are notorious for causing massive stability issues and then failure. I wouldn't use either of those programs, both consistently cause nothing but problems.
    
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Thats one of the reasons I went with an extreme processor. I can up cpu speed strictly by upping the multi without a signifigant increase to the fsb.
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sure more performance, but at the cost of bricking your board. nTune and clockgen are notorious for causing massive stability issues and then failure. I wouldn't use either of those programs, both consistently cause nothing but problems.
Any overclocking is at the cost of "bricking" your board. Its not uncommon for problems to arise in certain boards, even with a meager increase in FSB.

Overclocking is risky business.
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yes but software overclocking is like venture capital investment compared to BIOS overclocking being investment into a safe mutual fund.
    
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I personally would never resort to using software for overclocking. But I've seen some examples where the pros use clockgen to get a high stable OC for benchmarks. I in no way condone software overclocking, but can appreciate its place in the bigger picture.
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