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I just got my system up and running an I have to say the Swiftech MCW60 is impressing the heck out of me.

I have my 8800gtx overclocked from the standard 576/900 to 670/1000 and I'm still seeing Idle temps at 38C and load temps at 42C and that's in a warm house. Stock I was running 60C idle, 83C load.

That's over a 40C load temp drop, and it makes a huge difference in how much you can overclock. The full coverage blocks look really nice, but my bet goes with the MCW60 as the performance king.
    
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Originally Posted by Martinm210 View Post
I just got my system up and running an I have to say the Swiftech MCW60 is impressing the heck out of me.

I have my 8800gtx overclocked from the standard 576/900 to 670/1000 and I'm still seeing Idle temps at 38C and load temps at 42C and that's in a warm house. Stock I was running 60C idle, 83C load.

That's over a 40C load temp drop, and it makes a huge difference in how much you can overclock. The full coverage blocks look really nice, but my bet goes with the MCW60 as the performance king.

i have the same pump dude, the thing is powerfull as all hell
    
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Not only that.... as i said before.... watercooling memory\
am will Decrease your flow rate. you will get better results by having a 120mm fan blowing on the ram.
Yes I understand that:

1) Watercooling RAM is not necessary, although it is not infact a gimic. It will effectively cool the ram, but I also know that cooling it that way will not really give me a performance increase. Its the simple fact that the RAM I am getting is half the price of other comparable RAM, and it would look cool with water cooling.

2) I also know its not necessary to cool my HD or bridges with watercooling, but then again if I do a second loop, why not make a 1/4" loop with the bridges, the hard drives and the RAM and leave the CPU and GPUs on the primary 1/2" loop. That should help take care of bottlenecks. Now the question is should i make them totally separate with one pump for the 1/4" and one pump for the 1/2" and 2 radiators? Or could I do it with 1 pump and 1 radiator, just with 2 loops running in parallel?

3) I have read that the MCW60 is the better performer because it has less restriction, yet a lot of people also like the EK block it seems. I believe I will probably go with the MCW60 with heatsinks. It would be interesting to see what the Swiftech Stealth will offer.
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I'd just run 2 loops for it...If you try running all that mess on one loop you will have all kinds of flow balancing problems....
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I'd just run 2 loops for it...If you try running all that mess on one loop you will have all kinds of flow balancing problems....
Yeah my only concern is space and power for 2 pumps and 2 radiators. I imagine with the 1/4" loop with the ram chipsets and HD I could use a 120 or 240 radiator without much problem. I think at first I am only going to do the single loop with CPU and GPUs (don't want to break my wallet on 2 systems right away). Is it worth it to run the loop through a second radiator between the CPU and GPUs?
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Yeah my only concern is space and power for 2 pumps and 2 radiators. I imagine with the 1/4" loop with the ram chipsets and HD I could use a 120 or 240 radiator without much problem. I think at first I am only going to do the single loop with CPU and GPUs (don't want to break my wallet on 2 systems right away). Is it worth it to run the loop through a second radiator between the CPU and GPUs?
Do not bother with hard drive or RAM watercooling!!!!!!

The second radiator in a loop is ok if your primary radiator is overwhelmed. Radiators are very restrictive and will hurt your flowrate. A 120mm rad does not provide as much cooling for all the restriction.
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Yeah my only concern is space and power for 2 pumps and 2 radiators. I imagine with the 1/4" loop with the ram chipsets and HD I could use a 120 or 240 radiator without much problem. I think at first I am only going to do the single loop with CPU and GPUs (don't want to break my wallet on 2 systems right away). Is it worth it to run the loop through a second radiator between the CPU and GPUs?
I think I would go with a single 360 rad with decent cfm fans...That should be plenty for cpu and gpu...The GTS 360 would be good with 60+ cfm fans...If you are concerned with noise go for the Thermochill PA.3....
If noise doesn't bother you much the 360 GTX is great with 70+ cfm fans...

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Do not bother with hard drive or RAM watercooling!!!!!!

The second radiator in a loop is ok if your primary radiator is overwhelmed. Radiators are very restrictive and will hurt your flowrate. A 120mm rad does not provide as much cooling for all the restriction.
Please read the progression of posts before reiterating the same things people have said. I will respond to these one last time.

1) The Hardrive, RAM, and Chipsets are mainly for bling factor. I know I do not HAVE to cool them, but it also doesn't hurt to cool them. I also know that it won't really help performance, but it will not hurt performance. What it WILL do is keep them cool without putting fans on them. And the more you cool each component in your system, the better you are able to keep the entire system cool. Because believe it or not, heat from memory, chipsets, etc. does radiate out into the motherboard and other components, even if just a little bit.

My main concern was what is the best way to keep them from being a restriction factor to put an extra pump in the loop after the ram, or to run a completly separate loop. Please do not respond over and over again with saying do not cool the RAM or hdd and certainly don't use an exclamation mark much less multiples.

2) As for the radiator, I have stated I plan to use a 320mm radiator by swiftech, that is a lot more than a 120mm. I have also talked about using multiple radiators, and in that instance it may make sense to use a single 120 depending on where it is at on the loop.

Please, if you are going to post comments about the setup, please post intelligently listing issues regarding: heat dump issues, restrictions, flow rate, PSI problems; and ALWAYS include suggestions on ways to overcome those problems. If someone says they are GOING to have RAM XLC in their system, suggest ways of doing it to lessen restrictions and maximize flow rate.
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I think I would go with a single 360 rad with decent cfm fans...That should be plenty for cpu and gpu...The GTS 360 would be good with 60+ cfm fans...If you are concerned with noise go for the Thermochill PA.3....
If noise doesn't bother you much the 360 GTX is great with 70+ cfm fans...

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Now to the constructive review I have more questions:

1) Best pump still the DD D5? or would a DDC+ 12v Petra top be better?
2) If I used 1 loop with pumps in serial, placing one after the RAM XLC, which that bring the flow rate back up sufficiently to still use the single loop?
3) If I did that and converted from 1/2" tubing to 1/4" tubing between the pumps, would that in effect kill the purpose of including a second pump?
4) If I did the above 2 steps (2&3) would then adding a second radiator in the mix before the second pump really really make it not worth it to use a single loop?
5) Is the Black ICE GTX 360 really that much better than the swifty 320 justifying double the cost?

Also for fans I have some Aercool Xtreme Turbines that are rated at 89 CFM and 32 dBA. That seems to be the best CFM for the lowest dBA I have found in the 120mm.
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Now to the constructive review I have more questions:

1) Best pump still the DD D5? or would a DDC+ 12v Petra top be better?
2) If I used 1 loop with pumps in serial, placing one after the RAM XLC, which that bring the flow rate back up sufficiently to still use the single loop?
3) If I did that and converted from 1/2" tubing to 1/4" tubing between the pumps, would that in effect kill the purpose of including a second pump?
4) If I did the above 2 steps (2&3) would then adding a second radiator in the mix before the second pump really really make it not worth it to use a single loop?
5) Is the Black ICE GTX 360 really that much better than the swifty 320 justifying double the cost?

Also for fans I have some Aercool Xtreme Turbines that are rated at 89 CFM and 32 dBA. That seems to be the best CFM for the lowest dBA I have found in the 120mm.
The 18W DDC would be better for high restriction loops more head and it will flow as well or better...It just costs a little more...

Most ram blocks are 1/4" in the inside of the block so whether its 1/2" or 1/4" tubing going to it the flow will be killed.HDD blocks are the same...Putting a pump after it will not help..In other words everything will be bottle-necked by the smallest components.. You are going to kill your temp's by adding ram and HDD there is no way around it..If you put all that in the same loop your CPU temp's are going to be crap...The only way around it is by running two separate loops...

Is it really worth it...It would be to me..I have a 480 GTX....The GTS would be a better rad and is about the same price....120x38mm fans have a higher air pressure and I feel they scavenge air through the rad better...
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