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My talk w/ Intel about TAT

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After all the talk of TAT and CoreTemp, T_case and T_junctions, i thought i would just see what Intel has to say about this..

I received an E-mail, and also spoke to a gentleman on the phone..Tho somethings he said went beyond my exp...

What i did understand:

First off Intel says if you own an INTEL BRAND mobo, you should use this link and DL their monitor system..
http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/software/idu/
This is for INTEL BRAND motherboards only. It will not work with 3rd party boards with Intel chipsets..(i.e. Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 has an INTEL chipset, BUT IS NOT AN INTEL BRAND MOBO)


For the rest of us, here is what Intel says we should do..
Find a trusted 3rd party monitor (speedfan lets say)..Now go to this link from Intel http://processorfinder.intel.com/default.aspx Fill in your cpu info...Find your "THERMAL SPECIFICATION"....

The temp. listed under "Thermal Spec" is your T_case max temp..So if you use SpeedFan (happens to monitor T_case) you should see accurate T_case temps...Just keep them below what Intel states is your Thermal Spec....


Probably the most important info i got from our phone call was this..
TAT was made by a 3rd party for the Pentium M's, and should NOT be trusted to read correctly for all cpu's..Even C2D's....Tho some cpu's and TAT may read correct, others cpu's may not...

He gave reasons why, but honestly i can't say that i understood and therefore can't re post what reasons he gave...Something to do with the T_junction and TCC...IDK..Something about no T_junction on the C2D's i think, only a TCC that can either be an 80c or 100c TCC...like i said, he talked well above me...sorry.

Bottom line is this
DO NOT USE TAT....Use a reliable 3rd party software that reads T_case..
Then keep that reading below the recommended Thermal Spec. that Intel provides..

DO NOT USE a 3rd party software that reads T_junction as Intel says that still can give incorrect readings...

ALSO this was said....TAT is still a good 100% load tester for stock systems...Intel said that TAT will not damage cpu's at stock, but can not say that for OC'ed systems..Damage could happen if your oc is too high and TAT runs too long at 100%..

Just for ref. If anyone owns a C2D on a Intel brand motherboard, could you download Intel's Desktop Utility Software and run it with SpeedFan to let us know if they read the same or not? Thanks..


Hope this helps....I am sure someone with more exp. and knowledge than me will have some things to say on this..
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Wow good read, nice find.

You know what, i just decided to install coretemp an speedfan, and run them all at the same time with TAT.

Speedfan gives me lower temps, while coretemp and TAT are close to the same but much higher...

I'm going to make a seperate post about this in a little after some testing...

Def +rep for you.
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I tried installing their utility that you linked and it says I'm not using an Intel motherboard? I have an Intel P965 Chipset, wth?
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I tried installing their utility that you linked and it says I'm not using an Intel motherboard? I have an Intel P965 Chipset, wth?
Intel brand mobo dude, he says so in the second paragraph I beieve, not just mobos with Intel chipsets...
    
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Intel Motherboard, not just chipset
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Nice find
    
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Intel brand mobo dude, he says so in the second paragraph I beieve, not just mobos with Intel chipsets...
Correct!!!

INTEL BRAND MOTHERBOARDS ONLY for that first link....

example: A Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 is not an INTEL BRAND MOTHERBOARD....tho it does have Intel's chipset, it still will not work on it...



For the +REP's TY... I am only here to learn and to help were i can...
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I tried installing their utility that you linked and it says I'm not using an Intel motherboard? I have an Intel P965 Chipset, wth?
they may mean a actual intel mobo like the badax maybe,

very good find, but please next time of if you want to try again try and get it all in a email so you could paste it over here or maybe record your message so you could write it down, there are peeps here that could desifer alot of the stuff that is over our heads

good job researching this stuff
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cool thanks
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Nice. TY for info.

So DS3 users shouldn't rely on iTaT for accurate temps, but Coretemp and Speedfan?
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