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Settle down, people! No one is forcing you to buy these new processors...
Don't get me wrong, I'm waiting for the new AMD line so I can support the underdog. My next upgrade will be expected to last 2 years at least but I doubt
new software will catch up with the newer cpu's.
peace
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I don't understand why people say "bye bye AMD" or something to that nature. Don't you realize that competition is good, and the reason for the price drops in both dual-core CPUs is due to competition? I mean, this IS a capitalist market....
I'm waiting for the fastest CPU for the money. My bet is the next quad core Intel, but I'll wait for the guniea pig fanboys to test them for me. XD
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Shame I'm still gonna buy AMD. I just had bad experiences with all Intels I've worked on/with. And I prefer AMD anyway. (don't go spewing off the "ur a fanboiz" crap either. The amount of fanboyism in this thread already is sickening) :/
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post #54 of 91
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Indeed an embarrassment. However AMD spins it, Barcelona is still the K8 pipeline with refreshes rather than a brand new, 'next-gen' processor like C2D was/is.
C2D wasnt a brand new next-gen processor, its roots from my understanding are drawn from Banais... its basically a Pentium M, with alot of improvements, much like K10 is going to be.

Anyways, I really enjoy how many people become doom sayers after seeing benchmarks that are more then a little bias to one company or another. These benchmarks in my opinion are nothing more then proof of (early) concept. Wait until Barcelona/Budapest before counting AMD out.
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Time for me to make a roll through this thread.

I have way to many problems with middle schoolers talking economics and company strategies...

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Originally Posted by pow3rtr1p View Post
That's out. It's called the Brisbane 3600 X2.

Anyway, wait until the real thing comes out, then judge. Is the program in question even optimized for 16 cores? I didn't know anything used THAT many yet... The 2900XT beat the 8800s before it came out, and now look. It's just another card. It isn't the revolution everyone expected.

And Intel fanboys, what exactly is the difference between this V8 and Quad FX as far as power consumption, price, and stupidity are concerned? I'm not dumb, I know one has 8 cores and one has 4. Everyone said Quad FX was the worst thing ever, and now they're praising V8 like it's the 2nd coming or something...
A program that is multithreaded is multithreaded. It will utilize 2 cores, or it will use 2048 cores.

The difference between the V8 and QuadFX is well, V8 is a lot faster, uses less power, but is a lot more expensive. QuadFX is aimed at gamers and V8 is aimed at super highend workstations. Neither is very practical.

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Originally Posted by Licht View Post
My 5200+ at the same price (3 dollars more but hey its 3 bucks) can get the same max clock but with much more power. Instead of e6300 get a 5200+ for the same price and leave e6300 users in the dust.
Not going to happen. The E6300 is significantly faster than the 5200+.

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Originally Posted by pow3rtr1p View Post
You guys all seem so happy to give Intel a monopoly... Have none of you listened to what anyone logical has said? If AMD goes down the tubes, we are all screwed. Intel could charge whatever the heck they want for their chips without AMD to push around. Trust me, you do NOT want AMD gone, even if you're an Intel fan. I love AMD, but I know it's better for the market, and my wallet, if Intel sticks around. Why is gas $3.50 a gallon? Because there are no alternatives. Why are some city water bills or electricity bills ridiculous? Because there's only 1 provider.

Start thinking, and stop wishing death to AMD. I certainly don't wish death to Intel.
Intel cannot charge whatever they want, regardless of the status of AMD. If that were true, Windows Vista would cost us $1000. Gas prices are purely political and not very much economical. Leave them out. City water and electrical rates are controlled by the government....

Sorry bud, your wrong.

By the looks of it, Intel is aiming to bring AMD to the brink of bankruptcy. Leaving them no other choice then to be absorbed by TI, IBM, or another large company. AMD won't go away, it will just be bought out.

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Historically Intel has waited in the eves while letting other companies release new technology, they were against 64-bit on the desktop, multiple core machines, etc. If AMD goes belly up, innovation will not be something you see a lot of, Intel only invests in new technology when forced by competition. They have shown it over and over and over again. Intel is fighting very hard to get itself back in a position where it doesn't have to innovate. Innovation costs money and means less profit, its BAD for business.

When I'm upgrading I'm buying whichever is going to last me the longest, AMD or Intel I don't really care. I just don't will the desctruction of CPU manufacturers
That is why Intel was the first company out with 90nm, 65nm, 45nm, SSE, dual core, dual core notebooks....

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Originally Posted by Ihatethedukes View Post
Indeed an embarrassment. However AMD spins it, Barcelona is still the K8 pipeline with refreshes rather than a brand new, 'next-gen' processor like C2D was/is.
Barcelona is what AMD has to compete with, C2D is what Intel has. No one really cares if you have a new architecture of not. It is all about what you have to offer.

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Originally Posted by lenzo View Post
16 cores, 8 cores, who gives a damn!
This race for absolute speed supremacy is turning into a joke, I mean,
why have the top of the line cpu with numerous cores when you cant even utilize them all ?
Name a few games that where made for 8 core, or better yet, even a quad core.
How many programs can you actually use at one time?
Maybe download and play some music, while encoding some video while surfing the net or playing a game at the same time!
What else would you be multi-tasking with. Not many could possibly be that busy all at once.
I just hope prices stay down on each side.
Just because your favorite game doesn't use multithreading, doesn't mean many business and rendering applications don't.

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Originally Posted by tubnotub1 View Post
C2D wasnt a brand new next-gen processor, its roots from my understanding are drawn from Banais... its basically a Pentium M, with alot of improvements, much like K10 is going to be.

Anyways, I really enjoy how many people become doom sayers after seeing benchmarks that are more then a little bias to one company or another. These benchmarks in my opinion are nothing more then proof of (early) concept. Wait until Barcelona/Budapest before counting AMD out.
Nicely said.


Folks, control yourselfs. A companies success does not lie in how goods its product is. It is all about how good the marketing is. Intel may crush AMD in every benchmark in the world. That doesn't change the buying decision for millions of people and companies around the world. They either buy what they see on TV, what their IT saw on TV, or what Dell is selling. Intel having the top performing system is just bragging rights, it isn't going to make them any money, and it isn't going to kill AMD.

What is going to kill AMD is the price war of mainstream processors and the much larger crash reserves which Intel has. Intel can take a large cut in its margins and still operate. AMD cannot. That is what is key to the success of both companies, market share of mainstream processors, servers, and notebook processors.
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Time for me to make a roll through this thread.

I have way to many problems with middle schoolers talking economics and company strategies...



A program that is multithreaded is multithreaded. It will utilize 2 cores, or it will use 2048 cores.

The difference between the V8 and QuadFX is well, V8 is a lot faster, uses less power, but is a lot more expensive. QuadFX is aimed at gamers and V8 is aimed at super highend workstations. Neither is very practical.



Not going to happen. The E6300 is significantly faster than the 5200+.



Intel cannot charge whatever they want, regardless of the status of AMD. If that were true, Windows Vista would cost us $1000. Gas prices are purely political and not very much economical. Leave them out. City water and electrical rates are controlled by the government....

Sorry bud, your wrong.

By the looks of it, Intel is aiming to bring AMD to the brink of bankruptcy. Leaving them no other choice then to be absorbed by TI, IBM, or another large company. AMD won't go away, it will just be bought out.



That is why Intel was the first company out with 90nm, 65nm, 45nm, SSE, dual core, dual core notebooks....



Barcelona is what AMD has to compete with, C2D is what Intel has. No one really cares if you have a new architecture of not. It is all about what you have to offer.



Just because your favorite game doesn't use multithreading, doesn't mean many business and rendering applications don't.



Nicely said.


Folks, control yourselfs. A companies success does not lie in how goods its product is. It is all about how good the marketing is. Intel may crush AMD in every benchmark in the world. That doesn't change the buying decision for millions of people and companies around the world. They either buy what they see on TV, what their IT saw on TV, or what Dell is selling. Intel having the top performing system is just bragging rights, it isn't going to make them any money, and it isn't going to kill AMD.

What is going to kill AMD is the price war of mainstream processors and the much larger crash reserves which Intel has. Intel can take a large cut in its margins and still operate. AMD cannot. That is what is key to the success of both companies, market share of mainstream processors, servers, and notebook processors.
*Cough*Grammar*Cough*
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*Cough*Grammar*Cough*
P.S. Not all water and electrical companies are municipally owned.
True, however their rates are still usually governed as it's the life blood of America and cannot be allowed to be 'tampered' with.
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post #58 of 91
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That is why Intel was the first company out with 90nm, 65nm, 45nm, SSE, dual core, dual core notebooks....
Actually, yes, it is. Intel doesn't invest heavily in quickly bringing new technology to the 'PC user' unless there is pressure to produce. If they see that the competition is working on something that they didn't consider important in the PC industry(again, dual core, 64-bit processors and others in earlier days), then they'll look into it so they don't get run over. Being 'first out' doesn't mean that they initiated design phase first, it means they're covering their bases, and a large company with fast development time.

Also, 90nm, 65nm and 45nm technologies are fairly young technology in the microprocessor arena, so if you conveniently forget that my message stated historically speaking, then I guess that would apply.
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I feel bad for AMD, they got all excited thinking they would out do intel. lawl.
    
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Time for me to make a roll through this thread.

I have way to many problems with middle schoolers talking economics and company strategies...



Intel cannot charge whatever they want, regardless of the status of AMD. If that were true, Windows Vista would cost us $1000. Gas prices are purely political and not very much economical. Leave them out. City water and electrical rates are controlled by the government....
Okay, wait a minute:
1 - The oil industry, aside from environmental laws, is notoriously unregulated making their pricing very unrelated to politics. The reason gas prices are rising is because we, the moron consumers, keep burning the stuff no matter what Shell charges. The price hikes will continue until profit has been maximized. So long as the steady price increases go on, and consumption remains steady, profits will rise.

The reason competition doesn't keep prices down in this industry is because of collusion on two fronts. First, there is OPEC, which sets the prices of crude oil, thus not allowing exporters to compete with price. More importantly, there is collusion between the oil companies. If one major company cut prices by 10% they could get a great market share. (at 20% I might even buy arco) By increasing market share, profits will grow or remain steady, generally speaking.

The one place where politics play a major role in gas prices is in the restriction of refineries. There is no reason to believe that a private company operating a refinery and a few gas stations could not sell gas at $2 per gallon. The problem is getting the refinery built, which requires EPA sign off. The EPA has not approved a new refinery since something like 1980.

Saying gas prices are controlled by politics is a half-truth, at best. While the ability for new players to build refineries and buy crude might well correct the problem (collusion can choke new competition at the supply end too) it is by no means certain. And of course, consumers set the price by purchasing up to a point of diminishing value on the returned product.

Much like my e6600 wasn't worth it until I got one for $200. If the Barcelona is considerably superior, there will be a price point I will consider switching at. If AMD's significant step-up beats Intel's to my price point, I'll buy AMD.
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