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Yeah but they don't mention clock speeds. That Intel system may be their TOP of the line whereas this barcelona is still not final and may be at 2.2 GHZ. No one knows.
By the time Barcelona comes out, Penryn will be out. Intel is beating stuff that isn't even out yet with old stuff that will be dated by the time you will see these in 3rd party tests.
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Okay, wait a minute:
1 - The oil industry, aside from environmental laws, is notoriously unregulated making their pricing very unrelated to politics. The reason gas prices are rising is because we, the moron consumers, keep burning the stuff no matter what Shell charges. The price hikes will continue until profit has been maximized. So long as the steady price increases go on, and consumption remains steady, profits will rise.

The reason competition doesn't keep prices down in this industry is because of collusion on two fronts. First, there is OPEC, which sets the prices of crude oil, thus not allowing exporters to compete with price. More importantly, there is collusion between the oil companies. If one major company cut prices by 10% they could get a great market share. (at 20% I might even buy arco) By increasing market share, profits will grow or remain steady, generally speaking.

The one place where politics play a major role in gas prices is in the restriction of refineries. There is no reason to believe that a private company operating a refinery and a few gas stations could not sell gas at $2 per gallon. The problem is getting the refinery built, which requires EPA sign off. The EPA has not approved a new refinery since something like 1980.

Saying gas prices are controlled by politics is a half-truth, at best. While the ability for new players to build refineries and buy crude might well correct the problem (collusion can choke new competition at the supply end too) it is by no means certain. And of course, consumers set the price by purchasing up to a point of diminishing value on the returned product.

Much like my e6600 wasn't worth it until I got one for $200. If the Barcelona is considerably superior, there will be a price point I will consider switching at. If AMD's significant step-up beats Intel's to my price point, I'll buy AMD.
e6600 for the mainstream consumer at their stock speed is only worth it now at 225ish (on the egg) and on Dell hardly. AMD's FX-62 is also not worth their prices.. 319 for something that cannot beat a 400$ processor but the 400$ should be 260 or something....

Prices are ridiculous and that's the suxors. We have to see when everything is finally OUT and some good, unbiased benchmarks.

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By the time Barcelona comes out, Penryn will be out. Intel is beating stuff that isn't even out yet with old stuff that will be dated by the time you will see these in 3rd party tests.
Penryn may be priced at 1000's like the quads were originally and I doubt many of us will be purchasing them...

At an earlier post it really doesn't matter if you have a better product such as Q6600 vs 2 QuadFX currently even if Q6600 sucked butt and was not much better than an e6600 is Intel MARKETED it correctly it would sell. AMD has no cash to market.
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The Intel's might of been clocked faster, but the AMD system has twice the cores!

Either way, I wouldn't really upset about these tests. This is just show-off and not really that practical.
twice the cores, demonstrating the energy draw of the 8 c2d's from what I understand. Either way, can you tell me that doubling the cores doubles the processing ability? And is there a single program or hardware configuration that optimizes 8 cores, let alone 16?

I do agree with your second sentence. I'm waiting for an agena. I just wish i didn't have to wait so damn long. Of course, the only reason I'm waiting and not buying now is because of VALVe delaying too.
    
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By the time Barcelona comes out, Penryn will be out. Intel is beating stuff that isn't even out yet with old stuff that will be dated by the time you will see these in 3rd party tests.
You can't really play that game because it works on both sides of the field. The only way you can play that game is if the product coming out is already shown to be significantly better that what the competition has coming out. Penryn has not proven this and is only a 45nm scaling of c2d with some minor improvements.

The reason why you can't play that game is because you're not working with the company so you don't know what complications there might be with revisions. Which is why Agena is probably late, and why Penryn might be too.
    
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Penryn may be priced at 1000's like the quads were originally and I doubt many of us will be purchasing them...
Penryn is a die shrink across the board. All server / desktop / notebook revisions will be available. It will not cost over $1000 (what Desktop processor does?)

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twice the cores, demonstrating the energy draw of the 8 c2d's from what I understand. Either way, can you tell me that doubling the cores doubles the processing ability? And is there a single program or hardware configuration that optimizes 8 cores, let alone 16?

I do agree with your second sentence. I'm waiting for an agena. I just wish i didn't have to wait so damn long. Of course, the only reason I'm waiting and not buying now is because of VALVe delaying too.
A program that is multi-threaded is multi-threaded. They don't code dual core program, or quad core programs. They code multi-core programs. That means the processor could be 256 core and it would still be utilized by the multi-core program.

And yes, generally twice the cores will result in twice the performance of a multi-threaded application.

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You can't really play that game because it works on both sides of the field. The only way you can play that game is if the product coming out is already shown to be significantly better that what the competition has coming out. Penryn has not proven this and is only a 45nm scaling of c2d with some minor improvements.

The reason why you can't play that game is because you're not working with the company so you don't know what complications there might be with revisions. Which is why Agena is probably late, and why Penryn might be too.
I am not sure what game we are playing?

Penryn is not just a simple die shrink:

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From anandtech blog on Penryn.
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Penryn which outperformed the current top of the line quad cores by 40%
Why do we even try to keep up sometimes...I swear. Its easier to 'go away' from the cpu scene...then come back, ignorant to the whole situation than it is to bear the agony of outdated cpu's, that aren't even available to us yet.

When will we be able to buy new technology, as it comes, instead of as "they" want us to buy it? By the time peny's here, the 100core wafer cpu, will be debuting and crapping on all our heads.
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Penryn is a die shrink across the board. All server / desktop / notebook revisions will be available. It will not cost over $1000 (what Desktop processor does?)



A program that is multi-threaded is multi-threaded. They don't code dual core program, or quad core programs. They code multi-core programs. That means the processor could be 256 core and it would still be utilized by the multi-core program.

And yes, generally twice the cores will result in twice the performance of a multi-threaded application.



I am not sure what game we are playing?

Penryn is not just a simple die shrink:

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From anandtech blog on Penryn.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115001

Very close to 1000$.
Highest AMD is 499 so go on to their servers:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...03&name=Server

1600

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...157&name=intel

Intel servers 3400$
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I'm definitely building my next rig around a Penryn now; anyone knows how they will be called on the market? E/Q 10K ?
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Amd!
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