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I heard of some guys who's mom works at intel. They said the actual silicone in a core2 and the box ect is worth about 10$
R&D is some but definately not all making like 20bil a year..
Remember, when you buy a Core 2 Duo, you are paying for:

R&D for that chip (huge initial cost)
Fab production (where they build the chip - huge initial cost)
Production (small cost)
Advertising (large cost)

And a few other minor things.

Intel isn't making huge margins on its processor... Trust me. You can't have a 50% price cut every 6 months and have huge margins.
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If you think about it, if this article was true (inq = BS), it would be a very agressive move on nVidia's part to not only admit to themselves charging too much but to say ATI was in it with them. Hilarious, because then the pricing of the whole market would change up and nVidia (whose been soaking tons of money the last 6 months) would be able to price much more competitivley (8800GTX vs. HD 2900XT, 8800 320 vs. 2600XT, etc.)
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Cheaper cards in the future? WOO! I should have known Nvidia was the devil, just like Intel. Overpriced!
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Funny how it seemed to mostly come from whining Liberals in Cali...
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Remember, when you buy a Core 2 Duo, you are paying for:

R&D for that chip (huge initial cost)
Fab production (where they build the chip - huge initial cost)
Production (small cost)
Advertising (large cost)

And a few other minor things.

Intel isn't making huge margins on its processor... Trust me. You can't have a 50% price cut every 6 months and have huge margins.
you forgot to add "Product Hype".
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you forgot to add "Product Hype".
That would fall into Advertising.
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Remember, when you buy a Core 2 Duo, you are paying for:

R&D for that chip (huge initial cost)
Fab production (where they build the chip - huge initial cost)
Production (small cost)
Advertising (large cost)

And a few other minor things.

Intel isn't making huge margins on its processor... Trust me. You can't have a 50% price cut every 6 months and have huge margins.
Exactally right. They are dropping the prices ASAP. Basically after they pay off the R&D, they cut that out of the price. They are trying to hit AMD as hard as they possibly can, in an attempt to undercut their funding for the next generation of CPU. Intel does NOT want to take any chances with another athlon 64 coming out.
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Cheaper cards in the future? WOO! I should have known Nvidia was the devil, just like Intel. Overpriced!
Way to be a fanboy though....

Considering it's price fixing...IT TAKES TWO COMPANIES!!!

ATI and Nvidia BOTH were involved. You can't price fix with yourself...lol
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Could not have said it better myself.

Given, Nvidia and AMD probably make HUGEEEE margins, there is a lot more than just "buiding the card" that goes into a GPU. Thousands upon thousands of man-hours go into the development and testing. Not to mention, they have to outsource the fabrication most of the time to Taiwan, which is more overhead.

On the otherhand, look at RAM. Wouldn't it be nice to get a GTX for 300 bucks?
sure.. "thousands of man hours..." but do they have to be paid a fortune per hour?

think about it... minimal wage prices in your state are x.xx ? well what do the guys ag ati/nvidia make?

software programmers 35-60$ an hour maybe? the dudes that actually design the cards? 40-75$ an hour ?

oh. and their schemes i.e. medical insurance for each worker = 125$ a pay check. (but they buy in bulk and get a discount down to 65$ a pay check) but that isnt defined in the cost figures are they? so in all reality the cost could be alot less. (it might cost them 150-225$ to make a card atm) but im sure they say it costs them 325-350..... but of course. they could drop this price to maybe 75-110$ ?

how? by not telling people they use xxx amount of $ for something i.e. medical stuff.. when they actually pay alot less because they hide the fact they get bulk discounts.... i wouldnt be surprised if they did this with the actual pcb prices....

cost is 425$ to make one card. thats what they base their costs to consumers on.... but actually because they dont make "just one card" but make hundreds of thousands. the actual cost is ALOT less

simply put. any company that makes something. will try to do what i have mentioned. why? because they can get away with it "for a while"

after fines/lawsuits they actually still come out ahead from the years and years that they have fixed prices.... so why not do it? you might get punished but in the end ul still be better off....

think about what i said...

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sure.. "thousands of man hours..." but do they have to be paid a fortune per hour?

think about it... minimal wage prices in your state are x.xx ? well what do the guys ag ati/nvidia make?

software programmers 35-60$ an hour maybe? the dudes that actually design the cards? 40-75$ an hour ?

oh. and their schemes i.e. medical insurance for each worker = 125$ a pay check. (but they buy in bulk and get a discount down to 65$ a pay check) but that isnt defined in the cost figures are they? so in all reality the cost could be alot less. (it might cost them 150-225$ to make a card atm) but im sure they say it costs them 325-350..... but of course. they could drop this price to maybe 75-110$ ?

how? by not telling people they use xxx amount of $ for something i.e. medical stuff.. when they actually pay alot less because they hide the fact they get bulk discounts.... i wouldnt be surprised if they did this with the actual pcb prices....

cost is 425$ to make one card. thats what they base their costs to consumers on.... but actually because they dont make "just one card" but make hundreds of thousands. the actual cost is ALOT less

simply put. any company that makes something. will try to do what i have mentioned. why? because they can get away with it "for a while"

after fines/lawsuits they actually still come out ahead from the years and years that they have fixed prices.... so why not do it? you might get punished but in the end ul still be better off....

think about what i said...

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This is capitalism. People are paid a lot of money to produce something that is valuable. Should you feel that the price offered for the product is unreasonable, you should cease from purchasing it. Should it be found that the two companies are working together to artificially increase the price, then they will be caught. It is immoral and illegal. However, paying your employee a lot of money for a job well done is not illegal and definitely not immoral.
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