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Why WC when you can Phase?

post #1 of 71
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The differences seem to be;

1. Cost; wc cheaper than phase.
2. Setup hassle: phase is a bigger mess than wc e.g. insulating mb etc.
3. Ongoing ease of operation; phase easier than wc e.g. to remove mb doesn't require draining etc.
4. Risk; wc greater than phase e.g. if mb is insulated properly then less chance of frying cpu/mb.
5. Danger; phase greater than wc e.g. blow up possible but seems unlikely with the retail units.
6. Performance; phase has bigger oc than water e.g. 'nuff said.

In summary it looks like if budget (and the hobby/fun factor) wasn't an issue then you would almost be crazy not to go to a retail phase unit.

Even in terms of cost how much more is it really? I priced out a pretty good system with the great help of all the guys on this thread http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...ist-water.html and by substituting out the Swiftech GTX for the StingerV8 and to get everything to my door is close to $550CDN depending on shipping, availability, miscellaneous sundries etc. This is might be a little high but not a mile off.

The cost of a Lightspeed or MachII is something like $1000CDN. My question is; is an extra $450CDN worth the extra performance, ongoing ease of getting into the mb and lack of potential leakage worth it?

Am I missing something in this analysis?
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yes.... phase is way more dangerous than watercooling.. example you have to look for condensation....
    
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post #3 of 71
You're not missing much.

Sure, phase is a bit more risky to you (refrigerant, etc), but primarily it's a cost issue. Plenty of people don't even spent $1000 on their whole computer, let alone that money on just a cooling system for one component. (that's the other big difference. A water loop can cool everything, while phase is single-component only.)
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And risk killing half of your components

Scott blew about 10 mobos doing that
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The upkeep on phase alone is enough to detour any woodby cooling enthusiast and some chips have cold bugs, like the 165's which don't like phase to well.
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post #6 of 71
Why the heck does everyone say that phase is "way more dangerouse then water cooling"?

I have never killed a motherboard due to phase or condensation, if you do it right the first time then you wont get any condensation just like if you setup your water cooling loop right the first time you probably wont get a leak.

I have had more leaks and close calls with water cooling then I ever will with my phase system.

The only big thing is the cost and it usually only cools a single component but thats the price for extreme cooling.
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post #7 of 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigpoppaFrary View Post
The upkeep on phase alone is enough to detour any woodby cooling enthusiast and some chips have cold bugs, like the 165's which don't like phase to well.

Ummm 5126 hours of operation on my phase and I havnt put a dime into upkeep or maintenance on this.

Mikey remember he was jacking up his boards it wasnt the phase fault for his boards dying, it was his and the boards fault.
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post #8 of 71
The new case Im doing 'has room' for phase unit for the CPU and 1/2" WC cooling with triple rad cooling on the board and 8800's.
Whether it becomes this is another story.
post #9 of 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey122687 View Post
And risk killing half of your components

Scott blew about 10 mobos doing that
I remember that. we waited for months as one part after the other had to be replaced. then he left

But OT: Cost is the main issue. And you also have to keep it away from n00bs. Make sure evertime it's turned on, the phase is turned on as well, so your chip doesn't explode.
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post #10 of 71
Well unless you mod something or get a homebuilt phase with out a controller you cant run your mobo without the phase running. Mine wont start till it reaches -33c evap temperature and will give warning at -10c and shuts off at 0c.
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