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I haven't looked into phase that much as far as the reliability factor goes. If price was say ~$500 I'd be more inclined to try it out. My only concern is the motherboard preparation with the possibility of not being able to RMA if I screwed it up. Performance is top notch of course.

OT but how often do you need to change the refrigerant?
    
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post #12 of 71
As long as you dont have a leak then you shouldnt have to change the refrigerant, if everything is going good and it was originally prepared correctly then the refrigerant is good for many years.

The oil is something I think should be changed out every couple of years, atleast that is what I am going to do. I am going to get my machIIgt modded with and when I do that ill get it recharged/oild and get it tuned for better temps maybe for a quad core by the time I get around to doing it.
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post #13 of 71
I would so do phase, but it's expensive. That and you pretty much have to WC your other components if you're going to push hardcore OCs with the phase anyways ^_^
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post #14 of 71
Yes it is expensive, cant argue that point
But you dont have too water cool everything else, I dont have water cooling on any of my other components just good air cooling, allthough I wish I did have water cooling for my GPU, may be a later mod that I do when I get a new vid card.
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Yes it is expensive, cant argue that point
But you dont have too water cool everything else, I dont have water cooling on any of my other components just good air cooling, allthough I wish I did have water cooling for my GPU, may be a later mod that I do when I get a new vid card.
Well, you don't *have* to, but you should if you're going to push over 600FSB and get super-duper high OCs lol.

I kid

Well, I Transonic said ~$500 and he would consider it, have you ever considered a used unit Transonic? They usually sell for $350-450 + shipping.
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post #16 of 71
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Ok great feedback - thanks.

So to change my analysis then really I should include the following caveats;

1. that it is only for the cpu whereas if you needed to do the GPU etc then water might be more appropriate unless you were going to do both water + phase. In my case I think I'm only going to cool the CPU and maybe the NB so it would be one or the other.
2. you have to run the phase unit for a period of time prior to starting the computer.

The other comments about danger and risk appear to be somewhat the same with both methods i.e. you want the setup correct from the get go.

So assuming the install is correct, you have the extra $450 and you are only doing the cpu, would it be a fair statement to say that phase would be worth it or are there any other counterpoints against phase?

BTW, what is the elapsed time reguired for a retail unit before firing up the mb?
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Well it takes about 30sec or so from a full idle boot up to get your phase fired up and get your computer running.

Install time on a production unit varies, Ive gotten down to being able to do a full install and switch out a mobo in about an hour with the mach mounting system which is the easiest. Doing one of the other mounting systems you are looking at a few hours of setup time if you take your time and are being careful.

The first time you do it it will probably be a good day of setup time since you wont have a clue what you are doing.

I am not saying water isnt good, if you are going from air cooling I would do water as a step before phase atleast thats what I did. Its all up too you though and how much money you have. There are drawbacks too both of them.

I personally really like ocing my cpu's to the max I can and still run 24/7 and I like the clean look fo the setup and at the time I had the money so thats why I went phase. Water cooling is versatile and fun also and I enjoy messing with watercooling but I love my phase system.
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post #18 of 71
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So 30sec is really nothing then madmax22.

Its off topic, but why is the MachII mounting so much faster? An hour vs a few hours seems to be a ringing endorsement? What is the downside to this unit over the Lightspeed?

Also, so you don't need the NB cooled other than air with those big OCs?
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So 30sec is really nothing then madmax22.

Its off topic, but why is the MachII mounting so much faster? An hour vs a few hours seems to be a ringing endorsement? What is the downside to this unit over the Lightspeed?

Also, so you don't need the NB cooled with those big OCs?
I don't know about the mounting systems of the machII and the lightspeed, but I do know that you can cool a NB pretty well with air or a very cheap water loop.
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So 30sec is really nothing then madmax22.

Its off topic, but why is the MachII mounting so much faster? An hour vs a few hours seems to be a ringing endorsement? What is the downside to this unit over the Lightspeed?

Also, so you don't need the NB cooled other than air with those big OCs?
Yeah the start up is going from the ambient temp and it takes a little while for the compressor to get things going, it goes really quick to about 5c then it slows down a bit and does about 2 degrees a second decrease till you hit -33 where your mobo fires up.

The mach II gt mounting head is just pretty easy to set up, you use seal string and some grease in the cpu socket area and thats it. The back plate is sealed with seal string and has a heater in it to prevent condensation on the back of the mobo.

Draw back to the machIIgt is that while being the best (IMO) production phase they dont have the best evap and flex line for phase units, thats where guys that build them can make you a better phase by using different evap heads that perform better and using better flex lines that dont break as easy. You shouldnt handle the flex lines anyways when they are not room temp since negative temp on metals makes them brittle. There are a few well about two people in the states that are trustworthy enough to have build a phase for you that would be a great little cooler. It may be cheaper then a mach IIgt new also.
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