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post #21 of 71
The reason I don't use phase is it just doesn't seem like much fun to me...I can see why guys like it with the seriously cold temp's they can get...But running water and Pelt to me is a lot of fun...Its as much a hobby as anything....There are always new parts to make and things to do with it....Phase to me seems like clinical cooling....
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MADMAX22 if your running -30 what do you leave your CPU clocked at all the time?
I've thought about tring it before but I have talked to a few people that got condensation after awhile and had problems thats why I've kinda stayed away from it, also can phase handle cooling Quad?
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I run 24/7 with my 6600 at 4050mhz or around there, average about 4.0ghz i guess with 1.55 vcore, then if i am trying to get some good benches ill crank it up.

Yes condensation is your worst enemy either with these or high power techs. You absolutley have to make sure that you do a good job, if you dont then you will pay the price from a simple computer tripping off line to frying your mobo and or your cpu. Its not too hard to do it and there are countless different techniques to use but this is one area where overkill is usually a good thing.

With the machIIgt I have had condensation twice from bad setups, one was just a small spot of corrosion on one of the resister solder point at the back of the mobo (my own fault I was running without the heater plugged in and didnt have the best seal)

and the other time I had made a alternate mounting method for am2 (my first try) and didnt get a good seal on the mobo, I allmost had water running out of the cpu area but I got lucky and didnt hurt anything. This was my own fault and I fixed the mounting solution after this and ran it for a while with out ever getting condensation again.

Nowadays I take more time to make sure I have a good seal everywhere and I know more what im doing so I know what too look for. Still I have never killed a mobo or cpu with phase (yet )
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post #24 of 71
it took me less then 30 minutes to pull out my motherboard take off the stock heatsink and hook up the heaters the mounting hardware and prep the board for my vapochill mounting was so easy ..then it took me maybe another 10 minutes to install the controller card mostly to find a place to put it that didnt look nasty with wires... i was rather pleased with my phase experiance sadly i sold my unit in order to buy some new parts and tickets to a Tool concert.. ... i found installing a water kit to be more of a hassle.. i will say that there is most cost involved then just buying the unit itself.. it can be a huge draw on the power bill as well.. main reason why i sacrafised my unit living in florida running a central ac system and a phase cooler which is basicly a 110 wall unit 24/7 really makes those bills climb
    
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post #25 of 71
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The differences seem to be;

1. Cost; wc > phase.
2. Setup hassle: phase > wc e.g. insulating mb etc.
3. Ongoing ease of operation; phase > wc e.g. to remove mb doesn't require draining etc.
4. Risk; wc > phase e.g. if mb is insulated properly then less chance of frying something than with water etc.
5. Danger; phase > wc e.g. blow up possible but seems unlikely with the retail units.
6. Performance; phase > water e.g. 'nuff said.

In summary it looks like if budget (and the hobby/fun factor) wasn't an issue then you would almost be crazy not to go to a retail phase unit.


Even in terms of cost how much more is it really? I priced out a pretty good system with the great help of all the guys on this thread http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...ist-water.html and by substituting out the Swiftech GTX for the StingerV8 and to get everything to my door is close to $550CDN depending on shipping, availability, miscellaneous sundries etc. This is might be a little high but not a mile off.

The cost of a Lightspeed or MachII is something like $1000CDN. My question is; is an extra $450CDN worth the extra performance, ongoing ease of getting into the mb and lack of potential leakage worth it?

Am I missing something in this analysis?
You can buy one for close to $400.00 on forums if you look hard enough.
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post #26 of 71
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So if you didn't want to cool the GPU and only air cooled the NB, you could still get the bigger OC, right?

Also, USForces brought up a point about the quad? I suppose I should get over to the Phase forum, but I might as well ask the pros here first; Is there some extra condensation problem generated by the Quad's heat that isn't addressed by the retail units?
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post #27 of 71
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Originally Posted by mhw100 View Post
So if you didn't want to cool the GPU and only air cooled the NB, you could still get the bigger OC, right?

Also, USForces brought up a point about the quad? I suppose I should get over to the Phase forum, but I might as well ask the pros here first; Is there some extra condensation problem generated by the Quad's heat that isn't addressed by the retail units?
No, you just need a custom unit to handle the heat of a quad.
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No, you just need a custom unit to handle the heat of a quad.
Oh, oh. Do you mean I can't just go with one of the retail units or do you mean I could get it then have someone modify it for me?
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post #29 of 71
he means having it modded in order to be able to handle the quad core
    
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post #30 of 71
better for oc phase is can get lower temps so if you want higher clocks it comes to that depends what you want to live with
    
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