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Yeah I just got my 320W Pelt rig up and I really like it...I'll be going to a 437W one next...

Here is some stuff you might like to read...

...http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=67927
TEC undervolting charts

...http://www.crazypc.com/articles/condensation.htm
Condensation Prevention

...http://www.overclockers.com/articles305/
Cold Plate Materials and Thickness

...http://www.overclockers.com/articles223/
Cooling - An In-Depth Look

...http://www.madshrimps.be/gotofaqlink.php?linkid=1980
[MADSHRIMPS]-HWFaq -- A Guide To Peltiers

...http://wintschlabs.com/ArcticWebPage.html
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Originally Posted by DontPassTheFence View Post
dude you can do a decent wc for 100-150 depending on how many used parts you get.

Ive got 20ft tubing, rad, DC pump, and soon to have an apogee GT - all for less than 110$ - I just need a fillport, t-fitting, and some distilled water. (and some time to toss it all together again)
I guess for a couple of reasons. 1) I assume like for most things you get what you pay for and 2) because the quad is such a hot swine, I'd rather err on the side of caution and cool it with the best gear I could within a reasonable budget.
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Yeah I just got my 320W Pelt rig up and I really like it...I'll be going to a 437W one next...

Here is some stuff you might like to read...

...http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=67927
TEC undervolting charts

...http://www.crazypc.com/articles/condensation.htm
Condensation Prevention

...http://www.overclockers.com/articles305/
Cold Plate Materials and Thickness

...http://www.overclockers.com/articles223/
Cooling - An In-Depth Look

...http://www.madshrimps.be/gotofaqlink.php?linkid=1980
[MADSHRIMPS]-HWFaq -- A Guide To Peltiers

...http://wintschlabs.com/ArcticWebPage.html
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Gosh - a second big rep in one day Ira. Thanks for the resources. Is the 437 the same fellow that builds the stinger?
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Gosh - a second big rep in one day Ira. Thanks for the resources. Is the 437 the same fellow that builds the stinger?
437 is just the wattage of the Pelt but yeah fstfrddy has just started making a V-8 block that will use a 437W Pelt..

...http://www.stingerwaterblocks.mysite.com/
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ira-k could I run a pelt at 15C with the right volts 24/7?

Also how much heat would it give off because my GPU's are in the loop also.

THX
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ira-k could I run a pelt at 15C with the right volts 24/7?

Also how much heat would it give off because my GPU's are in the loop also.

THX
As far as I know you shouldn't have any problems running them 24/7 I would get a good brand of PSU for it like the Meanwell...

Now thats the rub if you have gpu's after it because you will have the wattage of the Pelt 320W or 437W plus the CPU wattage all dumped in the loop...You can put Pelts on the GPU also but I think it would be easier and cheaper to just put the GPU's on their own loop....

You need a good rad for a Pelt loop to I got the 480 GTX but a quad heater-core should do well to...

With a 320W and the V-8 block I idle at -1 to -3C and load at 13C with a 3170mhz OC on my 150 Opty....I'll get a 437W next when I upgrade which will probably be an Intel since from what I've been hearing the new AMD's are cold-bugged....
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post #57 of 71
You guys are missing the point.

It's not a question of:
Phase versus Water.
That's only the argument if you have $3000 to spend on cooling for your CPU and video-cards and you don't use SLI.

You can't use Phase on two video-cards. The gap between them and the radius isn't the right size to accommodate two cards.

The problem becomes, with phase you either have:
Phase for CPU + Air for GPU's
Phase for CPU + Water for GPU's.

So the real argument is:
Phase + WC versus WC.

When that becomes the argument, obviously there are a lot more variables, unless you don't game or don't care about 3d performance, which I really doubt.

Pro's of Water:
Only one system of cooling
Enough to cool a pretty reasonably high over-clock
A dual loop will handle 8800's fine
Can be passive under low speed profiles
Less power hungry

Cons of water:
Have to drain in order to do anything in the case or move it
Potential leaks can be messy to clean up
Takes a lot more space, hassle to manage than phase
Hard to get all the components at one vender

Pro's of phase + water:
Absolutely amazing cooling
Voltage increases are limitless
Relatively less hassle than water
Ungodly stability with over-clocks on CPU
Most stability you can get with over-clocking

Con's of Phase + water:
Cost
Condensation + Drain in order to maintenance
Power bill is going to be more than your mortgage payment
Ambient temperatures near your PC will be very disturbing
Time of assembly, management
Space limitations, you'll need a Mozart or Lian Li 343 or modded Lian Li V2000 at the bare minimum

I think if people spend $1000 on Phase for their CPU, and turn around and use stock cooling on their SLI 8800GTX's, they're being very unorganized and unprofessional about their system. It's much harder to cool 8800's under over-clocked load than it is Processors.

Hell, a good air cooler can get a Q6600 to 3.4GHZ, but I'd like to see an 8800 with a 660/2400 on air, show me one.

So really, the issue becomes that your Northbridge, Southbridge, Video-cards all have to have their own standalone cooling aside from Phase, which in my opinion is the main reason I can't stand Phase units. My power bill is going to go up $30-40 a month from only benchmarking, and I can't even over-clock my video-cards unless I get a DDC2 loop just for my 8800's? Might as well have gone dual loop and stuck to water.
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post #58 of 71
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I'm running mine at 3.4ghz on a fairly crappy air setup at idle=~32c, orthos load for hours <=~54, ambient=~21c. I would like to run 24/7 at around 3.7+ hence the water or phase.
wow thats really cold temps...

This qx6800 factory at 2.9 runs hotter than that.
I have the same cooler as you.
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Phase is fun but you will kill about one motherboard a month (my average )
    
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Originally Posted by DontPassTheFence View Post
dude you can do a decent wc for 100-150 depending on how many used parts you get.

Ive got 20ft tubing, rad, DC pump, and soon to have an apogee GT - all for less than 110$ - I just need a fillport, t-fitting, and some distilled water. (and some time to toss it all together again)
wow thats cheap
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