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Regardless, no one has actually said anything proving that Linux is more secure then Windows or vice versa! There has be a lot of "well, Linux should be more secure because of *blank*" or "Windows is not secure because of *blank*", but that doesn't relate to what happens in real life.
READ THE DAMN ARTICLE

It goes beyond the vague principles people ususally spout and gives in depth, concrete reasons why linux is inherently secure from the ground up and why windows is inherantly unsecure
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I agree. I run NO antivirus software on my system, and have not done so for YEARS. I have never had my system infected unless I was using to a site which I knew was questionable, in which case I knew what to expect. Your computer won't just infect itself by sitting there, you have to do it yourself.
well most of the time a user does it there self, but a computer can be infected just sitting there idling. If you have no firewall protection and all ports open then bots like rxbot does random IP range scans that checks to see if the computer OS is vulnerable to exploits. If the network has all ports closed though, it shouldn't even respond at all to exploit scans, or leak it's info out.
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Ah, I'll just say it, we all know its true. Windows sucks and Linux sucks, and as I had in my sig nearly all of the year 2006, FreeBSD is King. (OpenBSD too).




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READ THE DAMN ARTICLE

It goes beyond the vague principles people ususally spout and gives in depth, concrete reasons why linux is inherently secure from the ground up and why windows is inherantly unsecure
I did read the artical! It makes points, but it does not back them up with examples, it simply requires that you take them on faith.
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LOL, hmm, it does give examples:
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This reasoning backfires when one considers that Apache is by far the most popular web server software on the Internet. According to the September 2004 Netcraft web site survey, [1] 68% of web sites run the Apache web server. Only 21% of web sites run Microsoft IIS. If security problems boil down to the simple fact that malicious hackers target the largest installed base, it follows that we should see more worms, viruses, and other malware targeting Apache and the underlying operating systems for Apache than for Windows and IIS. Furthermore, we should see more successful attacks against Apache than against IIS, since the implication of the myth is that the problem is one of numbers, not vulnerabilities.
Yet this is precisely the opposite of what we find, historically. IIS has long been the primary target for worms and other attacks, and these attacks have been largely successful. The Code Red worm that exploited a buffer overrun in an IIS service to gain control of the web servers infected some 300,000 servers, and the number of infections only stopped because the worm was deliberately written to stop spreading. Code Red.A had an even faster rate of infection, although it too self-terminated after three weeks. Another worm, IISWorm, had a limited impact only because the worm was badly written, not because IIS successfully protected itself.
Yes, worms for Apache have been known to exist, such as the Slapper worm. (Slapper actually exploited a known vulnerability in OpenSSL, not Apache). But Apache worms rarely make headlines because they have such a limited range of effect, and are easily eradicated. Target sites were already plugging the known OpenSSL hole. It was also trivially easy to clean and restore infected site with a few commands, and without as much as a reboot, thanks to the modular nature of Linux and UNIX.
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Were you connected directly to the internet, or were you on a LAN? I have NEVER, and I mean NEVER had a computer running Windows XP or Vista get a virus unless I did something really stupid (like run limewire with no virus scanner installed ) I have no idea how you managed to get a virus so quickly unless you did something wrong or downloaded your virus scanner from some weird website.

Regardless, no one has actually said anything proving that Linux is more secure then Windows or vice versa! There has be a lot of "well, Linux should be more secure because of *blank*" or "Windows is not secure because of *blank*", but that doesn't relate to what happens in real life. I am a PC tech, and the amount of actual virus infections I run into is very small. The vast majority of the time the problems are caused by programs the user them self has installed, such as Limewire, MySpace IM (), WeatherBug, etc.

Also, remember when there was that competition a while back to see if someone could hack into OS X? Some guy found an exploit almost immediately! Since there are so many people trying to hack Windows, the exploits get found quickly and get a patch. Since there arnt as many people trying so hard to hack into Linux/Unix/OS X boxes, the exploits are not found, and remain unpatched.
The computer was on dial-up, as that was the only option at the time for that area. So it wasn't on a LAN.



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Since there are so many people trying to hack Windows, the exploits get found quickly and get a patch.
There's several white-hats that report flaws to Microsoft, then release the info on how to exploit the flaw online 6 months later... just to get Microsoft to do something about it. Then Microsoft usually waits another 6 months to finally fix it. I don't understand how that's considered quick.
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I did read the artical! It makes points, but it does not back them up with examples, it simply requires that you take them on faith.
It gives plenty of examples - there is a section that is 100% examples

A Comparison of 40 Recent Security Patches
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Good Reading. Scroll down to security.
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well most of the time a user does it there self, but a computer can be infected just sitting there idling. If you have no firewall protection and all ports open then bots like rxbot does random IP range scans that checks to see if the computer OS is vulnerable to exploits. If the network has all ports closed though, it shouldn't even respond at all to exploit scans, or leak it's info out.
Yeah, I'm firewalled... so as long as I don't physically press a button my computer won't become infected. When I need to go somewhere that I am worried about I use my spare system that I keep in the closet and just reformat. Even the best antivirus software are resource hogs and still don't catch everything, and then when you do get infected you usually need to go through hell to clean it out, oftentimes using multiple utilities.

We use OSX server at work and have hits on our IP's all day, nothing ever gets through.
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I noticed this article actually does no proving.
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