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post #21 of 46
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Originally Posted by pauldovi View Post
I can get the clocks on my videocard that this "Black Pearl" is getting.

There is absolutely no reason to spend the extra money on the "Ultra" portion or the "Black Pearl" portion of this video card. Anyone who buys this is a fool.
You can't compare a GTS architecture with the Ultra, let alone a GTX... You also can't call someone a fool for buying this card simply because you imply your GTS, at the same clock speeds, will score comparatively.
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post #22 of 46
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The quoted power consumption for a GeForce 8800 GTX is 177 Watts. For the new GeForce 8800 Ultra, running at higher clock speeds, the quoted power consumption is 175 Watts.

The highest OC that HardOCP could get on an aircooled ultra is 650/1115. Look in the top gpu oc's to see how close we can get. nuclearjock got 660/1053 on a gtx. Thats pretty close for a lot less dough.

The GTX at 660/1053 will use WAY more power than the ultra at the same speeds. Not to mention it will have to be visciously cooled.

Besides, the discussion is on the new water cooled black pearl edition ultra.

In the end it really doesn't matter, because the arguments arising from this thread is that a true overclocker could do just as well with a gtx as an ultra. When in reality Ultras can hit over 900Mhz cores with vmods on water cooling, where GTX's can only hit mid 700's.

You want pretty close for a lot less dough? My 7900GS after a mild overclock played everything maxed except for oblivion. Literally everything. So that means that the rest of the 7900/7950 series are completely worthless? Does that also mean x1900xt - x1950xtx from ATI are worthless?

The ultra is an exspensive card. And no, theres no way in hell it has any price/preformance ratio worth looking at. But that doesn't mean its a waste of a card. That doesn't mean its a waste of money. And that doesn't under ANY circumstances mean that a GTX somehow is comparable to it in preformance.

Want a real test at what you're paying the extra 300 dollars for? Downclock a stock ultra to stock GTX speeds. Measure power output, temperature, speeds, etc. Guess who wins? Ultra. Landslide. Power output and temperature all lead to what? More overclocking headroom. So if anything, the extra 300 dollars is to be payed by enthusiasts and overclockers, who LOVE headroom to the point where they're willing to pay 300 dollars for it.

Not everyone has to have economy builds just to call themselves overclockers. I accept that fact that even though my 7900GS can run my games at max, and it was 200$ less than a 7900GTX, that it still gets obliterated by the 7900GTX in benchmarking. I also understand that some people just enjoy having the best machines they can. You're at overclock.net, maybe you should start understanding that too.
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post #23 of 46
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You can own this for the low price of $$$899.99$$$ This cost more than my car lol
$899.99 really is a low price lol.

eVGA's regular GTX Black Pearl was like $799 compared to a regular $500

The regular Ultra is like $850 so $899.99 is pretty cheap lol.
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post #24 of 46
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Show me a GTS SLI rig that can break 100k in 3dmark05 and 25k in 3dmark06 and i'll buy you an ultra, you don't even have to pay shipping.


I've said it before and i'll say it again, the ultra is NOT worthless nor is it just an "overclocked gtx". Sure, an overclocked GTX can reach stock Ultra speeds, but the ultra runs much cooler/less volts and less power output. This allows the ultra to overclock FAR beyond what the GTX can.

Its just like someone saying an E6600 is worthless because you can buy an E4300, which can achieve 6600 speeds for half the price.

No one is even saying the prices are reasonable. But for those who want to have the best, this is it. And nothing, not even GTX's (or trust me, vince would use them) can beat these.

Besides, eVGA gives them to vince to use. He doesn't pay a dime for them.

Thank you well said. I feel the same way.
post #25 of 46
I hate thread necromancy, but I just thought it'd be interesting to post, that even with the slash in the ultra prices, the Black Pearl edition's price hasn't been touched. Good marketing by EVGA or great marketing by EVGA?
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post #26 of 46
Well, I thought the msrp on this thing might actually flirt with the 1 grand mark, but I guess not. There's always the 9-series, right? ;>
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post #27 of 46
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Show me a GTS SLI rig that can break 100k in 3dmark05 and 25k in 3dmark06 and i'll buy you an ultra, you don't even have to pay shipping.


I've said it before and i'll say it again, the ultra is NOT worthless nor is it just an "overclocked gtx". Sure, an overclocked GTX can reach stock Ultra speeds, but the ultra runs much cooler/less volts and less power output. This allows the ultra to overclock FAR beyond what the GTX can.

Its just like someone saying an E6600 is worthless because you can buy an E4300, which can achieve 6600 speeds for half the price.

No one is even saying the prices are reasonable. But for those who want to have the best, this is it. And nothing, not even GTX's (or trust me, vince would use them) can beat these.

Besides, eVGA gives them to vince to use. He doesn't pay a dime for them.
What does a GTS have to do with a overclocked GTX being a waist of $300?

Vince is using the "Black Pearl" because he is being paid to use it. It is marketing. Welcome to the real world.

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Originally Posted by Robilar View Post
The quoted power consumption for a GeForce 8800 GTX is 177 Watts. For the new GeForce 8800 Ultra, running at higher clock speeds, the quoted power consumption is 175 Watts.

The highest OC that HardOCP could get on an aircooled ultra is 650/1115. Look in the top gpu oc's to see how close we can get. nuclearjock got 660/1053 on a gtx. Thats pretty close for a lot less dough.
I am running 660Mhz on my GTS right now with no issues. I am sure it can go higher.

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Originally Posted by Guswut View Post
A true overclocker is a DIYer? So everyone that overclocks with non-customized parts is really only a pretend overclocker?

See, this is one of the reasons that there is bad press for computer power users: Let your ego go and understand that while there are many paths through the forest of life, the one you walk is merely another of them, not necessarily right nor wrong.

Oh, and it's black. Black things are coveted by all, especially elitists.
Yes, a true overclocker would not purchase a factory overclocked GTX for $300 more.

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Originally Posted by stargate125645 View Post
You can't compare a GTS architecture with the Ultra, let alone a GTX... You also can't call someone a fool for buying this card simply because you imply your GTS, at the same clock speeds, will score comparatively.
The GTS contains the same architecture as the GTX. The Ultra has the exact same GPU as the GTX...

I am not implying that my card will score comparatively. I am implying that one can obtain the same performance that this Ultra can without the extra $300.

All this is is a gimmick. That is why it isn't selling very well. It isn't worth the extra money. You are a fool if you buy this.
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post #28 of 46
The real question we should be asking is will this thing cause galvanic corrosion with copper water cooling parts which most of us use... it's a Innovatek block which is aluminum.... heres a thread from the evga forums http://evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=27535
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post #29 of 46
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The GTS contains the same architecture as the GTX. The Ultra has the exact same GPU as the GTX...

I am not implying that my card will score comparatively. I am implying that one can obtain the same performance that this Ultra can without the extra $300.

All this is is a gimmick. That is why it isn't selling very well. It isn't worth the extra money. You are a fool if you buy this.
So i should but an 8800GTS and clock it to GTX or Ultra speeds? Then I could save another $300
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post #30 of 46
Wait... I had something to say. By the time i hit the post button i forgot... i need a head scan... ill edit if i remember.
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