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Originally Posted by guyladouche View Post
But there's also no guarantee that one will always hit 3GHz with a 6300/6400 even with top-of-the-line RAM and mobo's--the stepping of the CPU is important, though perhaps there are more good 6300/6400 steppings than bad steppings. But there's no guarantee that everyone with a 6300 and a good mobo will hit 3GHz. It's likely, but not a guarantee.
I never said that, all I said is, plain and simple:
6x20 don't have the same consistency as the 6300/6400, so people should stop using the 6300/6400 results in the same post they recommend the 6x20.

It's like if CocaCola was out for 40-50 years, and CocaCola Zero is supposedly coming out, which has zero calories and claims to "taste the same".

I've tasted CocaCola Zero, it tastes like crap, it's not the same at all. Just because it has the same name at CocaCola, doesn't mean it is the same.

People therefore, shouldn't go around saying, "Hey CocaCola tastes great, you should buy CocaCola Zero because it's the same thing but with zero calories (larger L2 Cache)". And then the person goes and buys it, spits it out all over his keyboard because it tastes like crap.

Just because CocaCola is a drink not everyone likes, doesn't change the fact that a higher % of people like the taste of CocaCola over CocaCola Zero.

Now sure that was an over the top analogy, but it gets my point across.

For reference, I actually don't like Coke or Coke Zero.

The 6300/6400 has a higher % of success/consistency than the 6320/6420 did. I've heard of too many 6320's having awful OC potential, way different than what I heard when the 6300/6400 initially came out.
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I completely agree. Plus with the E6320s and E6420s, twice as much cache. 4MB of cache at that price point is nothing to snuff at.

/prepares for MC flaming
Show me a gaming benchmark where the 6320/6420 at the same speed as a 6300/6400, scores higher.

Do it, I dare you.
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Show me a gaming benchmark where the 6320/6420 at the same speed as a 6300/6400, scores higher.

Do it, I dare you.
http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=147139

Saying it doesn't score higher at the same speed was a joke, I hope.
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http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=147139

Saying it doesn't score higher at the same speed was a joke, I hope.
7 more FPS at Quake 4, 6 more FPS in FEAR, 3 more FPS in Source Particle test and in work station applications the 6400 sometimes out performs the 6420. Yeah I was completely wrong.

I think those figures are more differences in batch/week than they are significant evidence that a larger L2 cache means better performance.
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7 more FPS at Quake 4, 6 more FPS in FEAR, 3 more FPS in Source Particle test and in work station applications the 6400 sometimes out performs the 6420. Yeah I was completely wrong.

I think those figures are more differences in batch/week than they are significant evidence that a larger L2 cache means better performance.
In rendering lower scores are better.

Sec = seconds. I think you'd want to wait less time for rendering than longer.
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Its so close thats its almost unnoticable..but the e6420 comes out on top almost everytime
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I never said that, all I said is, plain and simple:
6x20 don't have the same consistency as the 6300/6400, so people should stop using the 6300/6400 results in the same post they recommend the 6x20.
Yes you did. Here's a quote from your previous post:

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Originally Posted by NamelessMC
It's more or less-
With the 4300/4400/6320/6420, there's too many people reporting that they can't get stable at or above 3.0GHZ, so it's too inconsistent to be thrown around the way people do in recommendations. People basically walk into threads and are like, "Yea get the 6320/6420 and u can hit 3.4GHZ on air" and they recommend a cooler, like it completely slipped their mind that it's NOT that simple to hit 3.4 on the newer Conroes.

Basically, there's no guarantee to hit 3.0 or higher with the 6320/6420, whereas with the 6300/6400, all you need is ram that can handle the FSB and you can hit 3.4 stable easily on air + AS5.
It's right there in bold--you're implying that any 6300/6400 will hit 3.4GHz with good RAM and mobo
    
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Not all Allendale Cores are bad Oc'ers, THE POOK is correct. One example is the PC I built my friend last week, I purchased the e4300 for him and it did 3.2ghz with no problems I would have gone farther but cooling(need to straighten out air-flow in case) starting being an issue. I'm not trying to be offensive but you remind much of AL-GORE(attention whore)
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In rendering lower scores are better.

Sec = seconds. I think you'd want to wait less time for rendering than longer.
Yeah, but that doesn't account for the average over-clock of a 6300/6420 versus the average over-clock of a 6320/6420.

We only have ONE legit review of the 6x20 and in that review, the 6320 caps out at 3.29GHZ even with 1.6 voltage, and the 6420 needs 1.6 voltage to go beyond 3.2GHZ. Way too huge of an inconsistency.

The bottom line is, people are riding the coat tails of Intel/Core 2 Duo, and acting like the faults of the 6x20 initial and current batches are "minor" and still recommend the chip.

Where's the justification in that? The 6320 is NOT the same as a 6300 with larger L2 cache. All it has in common is the architecture and name.
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I know, because reaching 2.8ghz isn't enough. Its too slow, and you should sell the e6*20's for a Celeron.

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