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what would u reccomend changing..the radiator is ok right? is the pump ok?
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How much can you spend to upgrade it? It might be easier just to build a new rig thats the trouble with those cheap kits they are hard to upgrade..

If I had to pick only one thing to change I would start with the pump...Get a Laing D-5 it has a rheo on it so you can lower or raise the flow...5 is highest just turn it down to 2 or 3 to start with and see if blows out the T-Take blocks..That way you will have a good pump to start upgrading around..


...http://www.dangerden.com/store/produ...5&cat=4&page=1
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EDIT: You will need to get tubing reducers from 1/2" tube to whatever is in your loop now...
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Before you go changing out all your tubing do a flow rate test. Get a couple of 5 gallon buckets and fill one up with a gallon measuring jug and mark gallon increments.

Time how long it takes to move 3 gallons of water through your system.

Most people will average around 1.5 gallons per minute with an average 1/2 loop system. Folks running really high wattage pumps or dual pumps or CPU only loops etc can see 2 gal/min or I've even heard 3 gal/min.

Now take a look at the Fuzion thermal performance:


Assuming your rads/fans are up to the job, this gives you an idea of how the performance is impacted by flow rate. You'll loose out on quite a bit of performance if you're flowing less than a gallon per minute, but I'm sure it would still be an improvement and if nothing else at least a step in the direction of improving the system, maybe make some more upgrades later.
    
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Very little. Most good air heatsinks can outperform lots of water loops. My tuniq destroys my old TDX 1/2 inch loop.
seems like a very blanket statement...

Maybe lots of water loops if the people dont know what they are doing or are buying crappy kits or pre fabbed wc cases like koolance.

You put a decent thermochill, black ice or even a swifty rad with a d-tek fuzion or apogee with 7/16 tubing and a decent pump and you cant touch that with most air cooling solutions. Just because you werent successful with water cooling doesnt mean that most peoples air coolers beat out peoples water loops who actually know what they are doing.

Granted the water loop will 9 times out of 10 cost you more money but the performance gains are there if you know how to set it up.

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post #15 of 22
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Before you go changing out all your tubing do a flow rate test. Get a couple of 5 gallon buckets and fill one up with a gallon measuring jug and mark gallon increments.

Time how long it takes to move 3 gallons of water through your system.

Most people will average around 1.5 gallons per minute with an average 1/2 loop system. Folks running really high wattage pumps or dual pumps or CPU only loops etc can see 2 gal/min or I've even heard 3 gal/min.

Now take a look at the Fuzion thermal performance:


Assuming your rads/fans are up to the job, this gives you an idea of how the performance is impacted by flow rate. You'll loose out on quite a bit of performance if you're flowing less than a gallon per minute, but I'm sure it would still be an improvement and if nothing else at least a step in the direction of improving the system, maybe make some more upgrades later.
Free flow doesn't mean much without head...The T-Take pumps have a very low head...

OP...This would be a good inexpensive pump for a cpu only loop with a non-restictive cpu block like the Fuzon.....

..http://www.jab-tech.com/dB-1-Compact...p-pr-3758.html
dB-1 Compact 12v Pump

EDIT: Hey OP fstfrddy has the standard V-8 CPU block with a poly-carb top for around $70 bux it would be hard to beat for cooling...Thats the only WB's I use anymore are the Stingers..You can PM him if your interested in one...
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That's true I shoud have said run a test with his whole loop included. That's what I was thinking anyway. That would take into account how well the existing pump does with the restrictions in place.

But I bet you're right, a new pump would probably give the biggest bang for the buck and getting a variable D5 like you said would allow you to scale the pump for what the existing blocks can handle.
    
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Hey its just that I have answered that question so many times I know it by heart... ..You will to it just takes a little time...
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seems like a very blanket statement...

Maybe lots of water loops if the people dont know what they are doing or are buying crappy kits or pre fabbed wc cases like koolance.

You put a decent thermochill, black ice or even a swifty rad with a d-tek fuzion or apogee with 7/16 tubing and a decent pump and you cant touch that with most air cooling solutions. Just because you werent successful with water cooling doesnt mean that most peoples air coolers beat out peoples water loops who actually know what they are doing.

Granted the water loop will 9 times out of 10 cost you more money but the performance gains are there if you know how to set it up.

T
Forgive him BigVal he doesent know who he is talking to
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Forgive him BigVal he doesent know who he is talking to
I wasnt rude in any way and I see that he has 10k posts and hes a forum director and im sure he is a nice guy but that still doesnt make his statement true.
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heh im addicted to more lol. Maybe its time i start thinking about upgrading my water cooling....my only question is is the radiator that came with the case any decent??? its the 3x120 mm one that is mounted in the front swing panel. I imagine buying a new res, pump, waterblock and tubing will not bethat hard but since this rad is already is such a convenient location id like to take advantage of it.
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