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I wonder how much it "actully" costs to make ea. card?
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I think if AMD had made a competent card then the 8800 prices would be lower.
The R600 can overclock to beat the GTX. And if I'm not mistaken, R600 in crossfire beats 8800 GTX in SLI.

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I wonder how much it "actually" costs to make a. card?
Just an estimate but based on materials and machines and prices of lower end cards I would estimate 100 for a 8800 GTX. It is like in the CPU market. The Brisbane costs no more to make (by much anyways) then more expensive cores. But AMD charges more for more expensive chips because thats how they bring int he bread. The lower end chips are so people with less money can also buy PC.
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The R600 can overclock to beat the GTX. And if I'm not mistaken, R600 in crossfire beats 8800 GTX in SLI.



Just an estimate but based on materials and machines and prices of lower end cards I would estimate 100 for a 8800 GTX. It is like in the CPU market. The Brisbane costs no more to make (by much anyways) then more expensive cores. But AMD charges more for more expensive chips because thats how they bring int he bread. The lower end chips are so people with less money can also buy PC.
$100 to make 8800GTX, holy moose. At $500 they earn 400% profit.
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$100 to make 8800GTX, holy moose. At $500 they earn 400% profit.
They are fixing prices if you recall. In materials, PC come on a child's allowance... over some time. And take into account the amount of money it takes to design it. It takes a while to put that money back. So remember next time you buy a horrible card it is priced that way partially because they need to recover. (I know theres no "recovery" period but they do need to make the card make more money then it took to design it.

Id estimate if the 8800 GTX was priced correctly it would be a mear... 200. Which may sound like allot but the way PC marketing works thats "fair." Lol if you don't believe me just go to www.dell.com you'll see examples... in every single one of their products.
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No Intel boards support a decent crossfire setup. If R600 is the best, then it's currently impossible to build anything ultimate that isn't bottlenecked. To use the R600's in xfire with no x4/x8 PCIE bottleneck, you'd need a AMD CPU, and no AMDs can compete with a high end core 2 duo, or any core 2 quad.

To use a Core 2 Quad (Currently the ultimate desktop CPU) you will either use bottleneck R600's or GTXs. To use two non-bottlenecked R600's, you're limited to a high-end x2. And even my CPU can beat any x2 out there.
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No Intel boards support a decent crossfire setup. If R600 is the best, then it's currently impossible to build anything ultimate that isn't bottlenecked. To use the R600's in xfire with no x4/x8 PCIE bottleneck, you'd need a AMD CPU, and no AMDs can compete with a high end core 2 duo, or any core 2 quad.

To use a Core 2 Quad (Currently the ultimate desktop CPU) you will either use bottleneck R600's or GTXs. To use two non-bottlenecked R600's, you're limited to a high-end x2. And even my CPU can beat any x2 out there.
Dual Athlon FX 1207 is often criticized, but in truth their performance can be quite close to the C2Q. However no mobo support this and crossfire i think (i only know of 1 board to support the duals at all.) You can also use a Athlon X2 6000+ A rough equivalent to 6600/6700 (pending on job to be done.) However, i did read somewhere (i forget where but i think it was the site that couldn't OC the card to the max because it was too hot for liquid nitrogen) that dual R600 set the world graphics processing record... never did mention if they were overclocked or not now that i think about it. And do your bottlenecks take into account an AMD chipset? That could make all the difference. But who knows maybe it would make it worse, either way they are very powerful chips considering they are what AMD calls "midrange."
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No Intel boards support a decent crossfire setup. If R600 is the best, then it's currently impossible to build anything ultimate that isn't bottlenecked. To use the R600's in xfire with no x4/x8 PCIE bottleneck, you'd need a AMD CPU, and no AMDs can compete with a high end core 2 duo, or any core 2 quad.

To use a Core 2 Quad (Currently the ultimate desktop CPU) you will either use bottleneck R600's or GTXs. To use two non-bottlenecked R600's, you're limited to a high-end x2. And even my CPU can beat any x2 out there.
Doesn't Intel's 975X chipset motherboards (P5W DH Deluxe) fully support crossfire?
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I really hate these kind of lawsuits...eventually every cent nVidia pays in fines will be passed onto us consumers. And for what? For a long time they had the best GPU on the market (perhaps still do...discussion is irrelavent to this thread). If it's the "best" you have to pay a premium to get it. Simple as that.

If I open up a steak house and serve the best T-bones in town with great service and a nice atmosphere of corse I am going to charge as much as people are willing to pay for it. Does the Sloppy Joe resturant across the street deserve to sue me just because I make better business decisions and I am successful at what I do?

People were stilling buying the 8800's even at their inflated price. I just hope a lot of the extra profit went to the employees of the company and the R&D section. Well now I guess a good chunk of the extra profit is going to the legal department.
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I really hate these kind of lawsuits...eventually every cent nVidia pays in fines will be passed onto us consumers. And for what? For a long time they had the best GPU on the market (perhaps still do...discussion is irrelavent to this thread). If it's the "best" you have to pay a premium to get it. Simple as that.

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People were stilling buying the 8800's even at their inflated price. I just hope a lot of the extra profit went to the employees of the company and the R&D section. Well now I guess a good chunk of the extra profit is going to the legal department.
If the prices are forced up ATI would be given a larger chance.
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$100 to make 8800GTX, holy moose. At $500 they earn 400% profit.
There is something called R&D that's kinda expensive. Also, a lot of this money goes to manufacturing tech. It's not as hard to design a 45nm chip as it is to design the process of manufacturing it. When you factor in manufacturing costs I would say it costs them $150-200 to make a chip for the first year of production.

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I really hate these kind of lawsuits...eventually every cent nVidia pays in fines will be passed onto us consumers. And for what? For a long time they had the best GPU on the market (perhaps still do...discussion is irrelavent to this thread). If it's the "best" you have to pay a premium to get it. Simple as that.
In addition to fines they will probably have to lower card prices. There are pricefixing suits in there after all.
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