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If you want to use air-cooling I would recommend one of th Tower Coolers.

Liquid cooling is a whole new ball of wax....

If you are new to Oc'ing and PC building/modding you might want to stick with air. Once you are familiar and comfortable with it you could look into liquid.

As I side-note. I would not have gone to water except that it gets bloody hot in my house at the height of summer (30C + !!) and I did not want to underlock or run stock...
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in my belief only for a temporary while before amd comes back,

i have faith in amd. hehe =]

plus i believe amd is more focused on the the system working better now since amd bought ati and im sure when they release something now it will probably work better with amd cpus and ati graphics cards. and amd is more focused on better cpus, as intel is too large and does too many other random things.

anyways I love ENERMAX, they are 1337

but yes intel does hold a edge over the amd in performance.
I personally loved Intel because it had lower temps than AMD once upon a time, some years back that I started messing with the hardware of my pc. Also about the AMD - ATI. I find it weird that Intel MBs support Crossfire and AMD Sli. Never seen the other way.





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HTT is purely communication through the motherboard between the CPU and the RAM. It has nothing to do with what happens with data when it is actually being executed inside the CPU.

Intel communication between CPU and RAM
CPU sends request to MCH
MCH (NorthBridge) points to location in RAM
Data travels from RAM to CPU cache via the MCH

AMD communication between CPU and RAM
CPU points to location in RAM (MCH is onboard)
Data travels straight from RAM to CPU cache

AMD's method of data transferel betwen the CPU and RAM is faster than Intel's as it not only eliminates haveing to pass through the MCH, but its also bi-directional. Data can travel from the CPU to be read and be sent out from the CPU to the RAM to be written. HTT and FSB would be thought of as the data bus of the system if you were taking an introductory class in computing. However, this form of direct connect architecture is not enough for it to compete with the Core 2 at present as Core 2 CPU's simply request more data in one go and store it in their larger cache.
Wow thanks for the nice piece information. Its really helpful. Up to now I though they worked faster cause they had bigger FSB but like I said I am pretty new here so I don't know much. Thanks again.

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If you want to use air-cooling I would recommend one of th Tower Coolers.

Liquid cooling is a whole new ball of wax....

If you are new to Oc'ing and PC building/modding you might want to stick with air. Once you are familiar and comfortable with it you could look into liquid.

As I side-note. I would not have gone to water except that it gets bloody hot in my house at the height of summer (30C + !!) and I did not want to underlock or run stock...
I am not unfamiliar with building PCs I am just unfamiliar with overclocking the CPU. I know tower coolers are best especially the ones that you can mouth 2 coolers one to blow in and one to blow out. My noctua gives me very good cooling ^^. I have seen watercooling and its kinda hard but I will manage but if aero cooling it ok then I don't mind.
    
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I found a store that sells in Greece, thanks to OCZ.com

CPU:Intel Q6600(wait until july 22nd for best price, or if you cannot, find the E6600 on the site) - Quad core, great overclocker, 266$ on july 22nd. Need I say more?

Motherboard: No need to change. If your motherboard can AT LEAST hit 400MHZ fsb, you're good. Unless you need SLI, then get the P5N32 680i ( I EMPHASIZE 680i because there's the NForce 4 version)

Ram: G.Skill 2GB-HZ. D9 samsung memory under the hood, easy 1000mhz, what more need I say? 299 Euros is a bit steep though, even for the ddr2-8000 version(could be the same as the 6400). I would say find ANOTHER store online that ships the ddr2-6400s to greece or ebay, 299 euros is WAAAAAy too much, since they're probably the same chips as the 6400s but that managed to stabilize at 1000Mhz. If you have a friend in the states, have them buy it for 119$ on newegg.com and ship it to ya. Float them a 20$ or something..

PSU: Dont know much about enermax but according to THIS guide, they're very good (second class out of the prefered 3 classes, so they MUST be worthy)

Cooler: find a Thermaltake Big Typhoon or a Tuniq Tower on ebay. HERE's an example.
EDIT: he ships worldwide. Also I dont know, but your cooler "should" be okay. The big typhoon is VERY quiet, which is the advantage but fore C2Ds, you dont really need that much cooling. I'm running mine at 1.28V and 2.7Ghz stable at 41 degrees under load! quads cant be too far ahead in that department
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I found a store that sells in Greece, thanks to OCZ.com

CPU:Intel Q6600(wait until july 22nd for best price, or if you cannot, find the E6600 on the site) - Quad core, great overclocker, 266$ on july 22nd. Need I say more?

Motherboard: No need to change. If your motherboard can AT LEAST hit 400MHZ fsb, you're good. Unless you need SLI, then get the P5N32 680i ( I EMPHASIZE 680i because there's the NForce 4 version)
Ram: G.Skill 2GB-HZ. D9 samsung memory under the hood, easy 1000mhz, what more need I say? 299 Euros is a bit steep though, even for the ddr2-8000 version(could be the same as the 6400). I would say find ANOTHER store online that ships the ddr2-6400s to greece or ebay, 299 euros is WAAAAAy too much, since they're probably the same chips as the 6400s but that managed to stabilize at 1000Mhz. If you have a friend in the states, have them buy it for 119$ on newegg.com and ship it to ya. Float them a 20$ or something..

PSU: Dont know much about enermax but according to THIS guide, they're very good (second class out of the prefered 3 classes, so they MUST be worthy)

Cooler: find a Thermaltake Big Typhoon or a Tuniq Tower on ebay. HERE's an example.
CPU: Thanks nice info about the drop of the price. If it will drop so much which is about half price then I guess it worths waiting. ( nice find that shop is one of the biggest here and actually I was about to go there to update my internet to 10mbs >> )

Motherboard: My motherboard can support up to Pentium D and its extreme edition. So yes inf I will change the CPU I will have to change the MB too.

PSU: Actually before buying my PSU I got through a lot searching as I did with everything. The only reason I did not buy the first in list was that there was not one here in greece.

Cooler: I know big typhoon is in the top ones but I do not like that unlike tower coolers it blows air on CPU and not to the rear.

I have one more question about the Motherboard. I see a lot of P5D ones. P5D, P5D-E and P5D-VM. Which one should I go with? >>
    
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well, the P5B deluxe wifi at 144 euros!!! does not support 1333MHZ (at least the versions I know) but you really dont need that with the Q6600, i always like to have just in case measures. Also the chipset 965 does not support SLI, so if you are even "considering" SLI in the future forgedaboutit. Also in my opinion the P5Bs are overpriced for their options. but if you really want a P5B, get the P5B deluxe (wifi or not dont matter)
If you want slightly cheaper than that, the P5N-E sli at 76euros!!! offers TONS of options at the same grade as both those boards discussed. Only one gigabit lan port but yeah, ive never had to use two before so....

jesus, I should be the Chief Marketing officer for Asus...

as for cooling, try the Tuniq Tower or the Zalman 9500, they are both VERY effective and push air to the back of the case, in "case" you have an exaust fan on the back.
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well, the P5B deluxe wifi at 144 euros!!! does not support 1333MHZ (at least the versions I know) but you really dont need that with the Q6600, i always like to have just in case measures. Also the chipset 965 does not support SLI, so if you are even "considering" SLI in the future forgedaboutit. Also in my opinion the P5Bs are overpriced for their options. but if you really want a P5B, get the P5B deluxe (wifi or not dont matter)
If you want slightly cheaper than that, the P5N-E sli at 76euros!!! offers TONS of options at the same grade as both those boards discussed. Only one gigabit lan port but yeah, ive never had to use two before so....

jesus, I should be the Chief Marketing officer for Asus...

as for cooling, try the Tuniq Tower or the Zalman 9500, they are both VERY effective and push air to the back of the case, in "case" you have an exaust fan on the back.
I was thinking on getting this http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.522477 Although I do not think you will understand anything (well you can still read the specs and understand a bit, It cots around 170 euro but I haven't checkked the extras yet. As for the quad CPU I know that for now the games are not that much supporting it like the Dual Core ones. As for the 1 gigabit port. Its not like I will need another >>

I love Zalman but I just do not like the Fan can't be replaced if it dies. I will consider what I will get though.
    
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Another cooler you can get is the THERMALRIGHT ETREME 120, make the flat part face the back and smack one or two 120mm fans to it to send the airflow to the back.

The board is great. I hope you're not considering Quad cores or SLI in less than 2 years though.
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