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Yeah....x1900 linux drivers suck, in fact I can't even use AIGLX + Beryl/Compiz, I get stuck with XGL. I have to disable compositing in order to get direct rendering enabled.

ATI is full of slackasses that can't seem to put together worthy drivers. The x1k series has been out for about a year now, and they STILL haven't enabled AIGLX on those cards.

dangerousHobo...that has to be the most awesome KDE setup I've seen. Every time I've seen kde it looked like crap.
You need to do research on the limitations of drivers and not expect the impossible from them. Because they don't support a certain feature doesn't necessarily mean they suck. AMD/ATI has it's own reasons not to bring forth more robust Linux drivers, reasons that I will leave for another thread.
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You need to do research on the limitations of drivers and not expect the impossible from them. Because they don't support a certain feature doesn't necessarily mean they suck. AMD/ATI has it's own reasons not to bring forth more robust Linux drivers, reasons that I will leave for another thread.
Okay, hold on a second there.

w.t.f. If both nvidia AND ati have full OpenGL 2.0 support, but only nVidia supports AIGLX, then surely thats slacking on ATI's part. Am I right?
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You need to do research on the limitations of drivers and not expect the impossible from them. Because they don't support a certain feature doesn't necessarily mean they suck. AMD/ATI has it's own reasons not to bring forth more robust Linux drivers, reasons that I will leave for another thread.
I'll sum their reasons up real quick:
It wouldn't make them much more money.
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You need to do research on the limitations of drivers and not expect the impossible from them. Because they don't support a certain feature doesn't necessarily mean they suck. AMD/ATI has it's own reasons not to bring forth more robust Linux drivers, reasons that I will leave for another thread.
Well then, we should make that other thread, because I think you're wrong. There's no way that I'm expecting the impossible. I'm just asking for better 3d support, I get stuck with buggy XGL, while nvidia users with the same feature support as the x1k cards get AIGLX and all those pretty eye candy options.
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Well then, we should make that other thread, because I think you're wrong. There's no way that I'm expecting the impossible. I'm just asking for better 3d support, I get stuck with buggy XGL, while nvidia users with the same feature support as the x1k cards get AIGLX and all those pretty eye candy options.
Actually... nVidia users don't need XGL or AIGLX, as the drivers handle all this...
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Actually... nVidia users don't need XGL or AIGLX, as the drivers handle all this...
True.

And I don't think that its ati's fault that AIGLX support stinks for it. Its whom ever is developing AIGLX.
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Actually... nVidia users don't need XGL or AIGLX, as the drivers handle all this...
I believe Phoronix did some benchmarks between some ATI cards and Nvidia cards in linux, and the nvidia cards ran over the ati equivalents. Ati's support has been lackluster until now, they don't really accomplish anything with each release.

But, there's light at the end of the tunnel; posted yesterday.. Phoronix got some really good info on the AMD/ATI merger, and how they plan to change their bad track record.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item=735&num=1
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True.

And I don't think that its ati's fault that AIGLX support stinks for it. Its whom ever is developing AIGLX.
But it definately IS ATI's fault for writing shoddy drivers that have to use third-party layers to do the eye-candy...
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Yay. ATI hating day. How I miss those. If there is someone to blame for "crappy" Linux support it's the end user. ATI's market is elsewhere, and unless there is a huge spike in ATI users in the open source world (doubtful, seeing as how everyone is so afraid to try and make things work/try new things) things are never going to change. And the countless hateful/menacing petitions out there imploring ATI for better drivers aren't helping either.
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Yay. ATI hating day. How I miss those. If there is someone to blame for "crappy" Linux support it's the end user. ATI's market is elsewhere, and unless there is a huge spike in ATI users in the open source world (doubtful, seeing as how everyone is so afraid to try and make things work/try new things) things are never going to change. And the countless hateful/menacing petitions out there imploring ATI for better drivers aren't helping either.
Who said hate?

I think ATI makes some nice graphics cards, and would have went that route if the Linux support would have been better. I refuse to buy a product that doesn't meet my demands at that time, then wait for a fix.
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