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Poll Results: RAM or CPU??

Poll expired: Jun 14, 2007  
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    RAM
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post #11 of 21
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Good find chozart. just one problem. Windows.
I need to stick with this board...
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post #12 of 21
Get the Opteron first 1gig of RAM should still be enough for most apps
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post #13 of 21
  • BIOSTAR TFORCE 550 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 550 $79.99
  • AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Brisbane 1.9GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADO3600DDBOX $69.00
  • CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 675 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-5400c4 $69.99
  • Microsoft Windows XP Home With SP2B 1 Pack $89.99
Total: $308.97

Even with Windows XP home, it isn't much more expensive than your upgrades for socket 939.... Up to you, but I'd go for the upgrade to AM2.

Vista Home Premium will be another $22
    
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post #14 of 21
Is it really all that wise to go to AM2 from S939, given that AM2 really isn't 1) that much faster than S939, and 2) is more or less waiting for obsolescence itself for when K10 eventually is available?

In other words, I think it's wiser to stick with S939. You'll spend a heck of a lot less than "upgrading" to a brand-new platform that isn't significantly faster anyway.

Just my .02.
    
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post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by txtmstrjoe View Post
Is it really all that wise to go to AM2 from S939, given that AM2 really isn't 1) that much faster than S939, and 2) is more or less waiting for obsolescence itself for when K10 eventually is available?

In other words, I think it's wiser to stick with S939. You'll spend a heck of a lot less than "upgrading" to a brand-new platform that isn't significantly faster anyway.

Just my .02.
Since K10 will drop into AM2 motherboards, it is more futureproof than 939. You can at least run the next generation CPUs.

And the 'heck of a lot less' isn't true. His upgrade plan (Opty + DDR 400 RAM) costs $283, and will give him a limited overclock, since he probably cannot push the RAM any higher than, say, DDR 500 speeds if lucky, translating in an HTT of 250MHz or a CPU clock of 2.25GHz with RAM at 1:1. To achieve higher clock speeds, he'll need to run RAM on a divider.

The last AM2 solution I gave costs $309, which is only $26 extra. However, the DDR2 675 RAM in that set up gives him the opportunity to push the HTT to 337.5MHz, or the CPU clock to 3.04GHz with RAM at 1:1 before RAM even hits stock! The RAM can probably be overclocked a bit, and he can max the CPU clock out on that set up.

I believe that the AM2 solution is the winner in this case. It's cheaper (only reason why it's more money is the new Windows XP license), and it's better overclockable overall (CPU generally clocks a little higher, and the RAM isn't a limiting factor)
    
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post #16 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
Since K10 will drop into AM2 motherboards, it is more futureproof than 939. You can at least run the next generation CPUs.

And the 'heck of a lot less' isn't true. His upgrade plan (Opty + DDR 400 RAM) costs $283, and will give him a limited overclock, since he probably cannot push the RAM any higher than, say, DDR 500 speeds if lucky, translating in an HTT of 250MHz or a CPU clock of 2.25GHz with RAM at 1:1. To achieve higher clock speeds, he'll need to run RAM on a divider.

The last AM2 solution I gave costs $309, which is only $26 extra. However, the DDR2 675 RAM in that set up gives him the opportunity to push the HTT to 337.5MHz, or the CPU clock to 3.04GHz with RAM at 1:1 before RAM even hits stock! The RAM can probably be overclocked a bit, and he can max the CPU clock out on that set up.

I believe that the AM2 solution is the winner in this case. It's cheaper (only reason why it's more money is the new Windows XP license), and it's better overclockable overall (CPU generally clocks a little higher, and the RAM isn't a limiting factor)
From what I've determined from testing, and as corroborated by many other reports, there's no penalty from running RAM on a divider with AMD64s. So it's not necessary to run the RAM on a 1:1 ratio.

Also, as far as K10 being compatible with AM2, in my opinion it's all conjecture at this point in time. I'm aware of all the widespread reports stating that this will indeed be the case, but since my personal philosophy doesn't require me to be at the absolute forward leading edge anyway, I'd rather wait and be absolutely sure about compatibility issues than be stuck with an obsolete package. This is especially true in cases where the next leap forward is significantly large enough to warrant an upgrade from my present setup.

However, I'm just presenting an alternative to what's been suggested. It's what I would likely do if I was in the original poster's situation.
    
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post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by txtmstrjoe View Post
From what I've determined from testing, and as corroborated by many other reports, there's no penalty from running RAM on a divider with AMD64s. So it's not necessary to run the RAM on a 1:1 ratio.

Also, as far as K10 being compatible with AM2, in my opinion it's all conjecture at this point in time. I'm aware of all the widespread reports stating that this will indeed be the case, but since my personal philosophy doesn't require me to be at the absolute forward leading edge anyway, I'd rather wait and be absolutely sure about compatibility issues than be stuck with an obsolete package. This is especially true in cases where the next leap forward is significantly large enough to warrant an upgrade from my present setup.

However, I'm just presenting an alternative to what's been suggested. It's what I would likely do if I was in the original poster's situation.
The alternative is definately appreciated

Basically, if we look at all issues, we have something like this:
  • Futureproof: 939 for sure not; AM2 possibly yes, maybe not. Let's say it's a tie.
  • Price: DDR RAM is quite pricey right now, you get better performing DDR2 RAM for less money. However, need new OS if he goes AM2. AM2 is thus a little more expensive. Tie or very slight advantage to 939.
  • Overclockability: although a divider doesn't matter *too* much, it can hinder performance in some applications. The X2 3600+ overclocks a little easier than the Opteron 165, and can usually hit a slightly higher clockspeeds. Advantage AM2.
  • Quality of parts: CPU - tie; RAM - tie; motherboard - tie. He basically has a budget socket 939 board now. Overall tie.
  • Overall: I'd call a slight advantage for AM2. However, it's almost 'too close to call'. Either will serve him well, and I think we have presented all the arguments pro and con

In response to a post about re-using a Windows OEM licence key:
With an OEM version, you are legally NOT allowed to replace a motherboard, other than with an identical board because of RMA within a warranty period. Replacing a motherboard and using the OEM key is piracy, even if the MS representative gives you a new activation key. Receiving a new key does NOT imply directly or indirectly that you are using your Windows OEM licence in a legal fashion.
    
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post #18 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
The alternative is definately appreciated

Basically, if we look at all issues, we have something like this:
  • Futureproof: 939 for sure not; AM2 possibly yes, maybe not. Let's say it's a tie.
  • Price: DDR RAM is quite pricey right now, you get better performing DDR2 RAM for less money. However, need new OS if he goes AM2. AM2 is thus a little more expensive. Tie or very slight advantage to 939.
  • Overclockability: although a divider doesn't matter *too* much, it can hinder performance in some applications. The X2 3600+ overclocks a little easier than the Opteron 165, and can usually hit a slightly higher clockspeeds. Advantage AM2.
  • Quality of parts: CPU - tie; RAM - tie; motherboard - tie. He basically has a budget socket 939 board now. Overall tie.
  • Overall: I'd call a slight advantage for AM2. However, it's almost 'too close to call'. Either will serve him well, and I think we have presented all the arguments pro and con


Well said and presented.

again.
    
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post #19 of 21
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Wait... maybe I can buy a new CD-Key direct from Microsoft....
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post #20 of 21
I think thats worth a shot becuase you don't need a new cd or anything else, just the key.
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