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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Multi-level caches generally operate by checking the smallest Level 1 (L1) cache first; if it hits, the processor proceeds at high speed. If the smaller cache misses, the next larger cache is checked, and so on, before main memory is checked.
This's what i looked up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_caches
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@unknownm L3 cache used to be on the mobo but now it is on the die as it is much faster to access
@SZayat in terms of cost it goes L1>L2>L3 the faster the cache the more expensive it is so you get very little L1 as it is the fastest and most expensive
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dam, Barcelona didnt even come out yet .

So
\he latest from AMD = phenom.
\\The latest from Intel = ?
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Old skool chips used to have L2/3 caches off-die on the motherboard, but nowadays, L1/2/3 caches are on-die. Caching refers to a place on the chip where code can be temporarily stored. Think of a tiny amount of RAM on the chip. The difference is that cache usually runs at the speed of the core, so much faster than RAM. Plus, since it is right on the die, the latencies are much faster. L1 caches are not big because it resides right by the execution units and so it is very very fast. L2 cache also runs at full speed of the core but resides outside of the execution core, so it can be designed to be bigger, but because of the greater distance away from the core, the latencies increase. AMD's L3 cache resides even farther away from the core so the latencies are even greater. I haven't seen any info stating if AMD's L3 cache will run at full speed of the core. For Barcelona, each core has it's own dedicated L1 and L2 caches, just like K8 does now, but they also get a L3 cache on top of all of it for all of them to share.

For a good guide on how caching works, check this out.
    
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i set the pic as my background...its noce that its becoming a reality...hopefully it lives up to all teh performance hype!
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Originally Posted by SZayat View Post
Anyhow L3 is much more expensive than L2.
lmao...L2 and L3 cost the same. L3 is just slower than L2. Everything on a CPU costs the same.
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Wow... CPUs are so complicated...

It's like a miniature city in there
Thats why AMD names then city names like barcelona(spain), Venice(italy), Sand Diego (California)
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and Toledo... and Manchester!
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post #29 of 52
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Originally Posted by SerenityKill3r View Post
And how much is this Phenom gonna set us back??

And does it fit on the AM2 Socket??
Under 1000 for the best models.

It works on the AM2+ socket which fits into the AM2 socket but it performs much better on the AM2+ socket because of numerous enhancements. Should overclock better on AM2+ socket too because of the way the new power management system works.
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I would not sit around with a AM2 mother board and expect it to work with one of these...heck it will be another three years or so before these things are released. You'll be lucky your current boards even power on by then...stuff just doesn't seem to be built as good any more. I've seen more broken hardware in the last two years then in all of my previous years of dealing with the stuff.

Plus AMD never can change CPU techs with out completely changing sockets. I'd be surprised to see this come out on the AM2+socket. I could careless how many "un-official" comments AMD makes on this issue, I'll believe it when I see it.
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