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The only remotely decent franchise there is Resistance, I know it hasn't been out for long, but I actually enjoyed it.

I admit singstar is a well created franchise, but strange considering Singstar relied on the game design principles Nintendo has used for years, "If it's fun, they will come".



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Obviously you are in the minority since almost all of those franchises are in the Greatest Hits collection and all have recieved good ratings from multiple game magazines and websites. Nintendo has NOTHING that even resembles Singstar, and Sony was the first with the Eyetoy(no the camera for the original gameboy doesn't count), so don't say anything about Nintendo being innovative or "if it's fun they will come..."
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Every week there is yet another article about how bad the PS3 is selling. You guys can debate this til the end of time, but only one thing matters. Is anyone buying it? The answer is a resounding "no". Remember VHS vs. Beta? Beta was actually a better technology, but VHS won out. Why? Cheaper, better marketing, and delivered what people wanted. No more, no less. What people want is not always the best and most expensive option. I bet in 10 years the PS3 case study will be in every marketing/business text book in a chapter entitled, "How not to roll out a product".
they rolled out the PS3 pretty good, it wasn't there fault for the blue diode problem, nor was the lack of security at nationwide stores their fault or concern, they only needed to worry about getting consoles to stores. Obviously if Nintendo didn't have a $250 system sitting next to it, it would have sold alot better. The economy is getting weaker and therefore we are looking for cheaper solutions, and the wii "looks" like that. Wait til this christmas when the ps3 atleast has some games going for it, and if it still fails, then the final hope will be next spring with MGS4, FFXIII, Killzone II, GT5 (Hopefully)
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Nintendo has NOTHING that even resembles Singstar, and Sony was the first with the Eyetoy(no the camera for the original gameboy doesn't count), so don't say anything about Nintendo being innovative or "if it's fun they will come..."

I'm talking about the Nintendo thing as a design principle, and relating Singstar to the Sims, and other such games.

They bring a person in and allow a person to be in real life, people like it for that enjoyment.

Although Nintendo don't have real life sims, what they do have is more akin to Singstar than the latest RealTimeTankRushingAndResourceWhoring (RTTRARW) or OMFGManInRoomThrowGrenade (OMFGMIRTG) games. They're fun to play, and that's why people buy them.

And by the way, try to stop double posting. Instead of quoting in two seperate posts, just use the quote tags and copy and paste the message you are referring to.
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I am the exact opposite. i am more interested in what writers who actaully are involved 24/7 with the industry and actually know what is going rather than listening to most posters who are 90% fanbois.
I give credence to game reviews on web sites like GameSpot, I guess; but I still think it's important to get impressions from real people. And print magazines...why? The sites have more objective reviews up in days; magazines take a month, and too often have to play nice with the advertisers to offer a fair review.

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How does the furture not mean squat? So i should buy a Wii only for what Zelda? Which is the only decent game available as of now? Future gaming experiece is always involved when buying a system. The same thing for most electronic items purchased. You want to know yourpurchase will still be worth it 2-3 years down the line. That there will still be games available to play.
Because the value proposition will be entirely different in the future. The console's price will be lower, the game library will be larger, and hopefully the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray format war will be settled on way or the other. So it's an entirely different, and completely unknowable, equation.

Game consoles aren't stocks and bonds; investing in the future makes no sense. X360 early adopters did that, and what was their reward? A better X360 Elite was released. Similar things seem to be happening with the PS3, there are new SKUs with larger hard drives in the pipeline. Where exactly is the value in paying a premium price now, when if you wait until the game library actually emerges, you can either a) get the same console for much less, or b) a better version of the console for the same price?

So I do think that buying for the future makes little sense with consoles. Buy for now. When the future becomes now, when the PS3 has more than one game you want to play, then pull the trigger. If that's your scenario today, then today is the right time to buy a PS3. For most people, it's not.

Now all of that is coming from my position of having the financial means to buy any system I want, whenever I want it. I do recognize that not everyone enjoys that particular luxury. For someone who has the financial means to make only one console purchase, the decision becomes much tougher. But some of what I said still applies...if you can only afford one console, why buy one today that won't really be maximized for at least a year or so? To those people, I would probably recommend an X360, since it has the largest library of the three current consoles. Unless the buyer is a fan of a particular console franchise, e.g. Mario or Final Fantasy; in which case they probably should buy for a future release. Although, I might suggest waiting to buy until the particular game they want actually comes out.

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Overhyped but Nintendo is doing the same thing with their online service but you have to pay to download.
Sony and Microsoft's game downloads aren't free either...you can't really pick on the Wii Virtual Console for that. Wii's general online functions are free, if generally useless so far. Only the X360 charges for its online services, and surprisingly I don't see too many complaints about it. I think it sucks, I prefer Sony's model; but apparently people find value in Live. Go figure.

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Part of your statement is a ssumption. I have 2 friends who both purchased PS3 because they are movienuts for the Blu-Ray and have just begun purchasing games. I introduced them to God Of War and Xenogears which they could not have played since they do not own PS or PS2.
I prefer "educated guess" to assumption. I'm sure that I could dig up some sales stats to back up my claim, if you're really going to argue that people are buying the PS3 to play PS1 and PS2 games. There are going to be exceptions, sure; the most obvious example would be someone who owned an XBox last gen but switches to PS3 this gen, and decides to try out some of the old games he missed out on. But those are exceptions, not the rule. Backwards compatibility as a general feature is included to promote customer lock-in, to assure existing Playstation owners that buying the new system will not make all of their old games obsolete.

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Also i have already stated why the $600 dollars is justified. You did not bother to reply. How is it overpriced? Can you give me the going value of a cell processor and a Blu-Ray player? Sony is losing money on each sale so by definition it is not overpriced. [b]Economic states that if there are people willing to purchase at current market price then it is not overpriced.[b]
Emphasis mine, thanks for proving my point. Because, as has been pointed out with hard stats, people aren't buying.

Seriously, go read some of the posts on this topic in the gaming forums. I don't want to rehash yet again the reasons by the Blu-Ray drive was an unnecessary and costly component in the PS3.

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Yea the Wii does not cost 600 dollars...because the technology is hardly worth $250. Like i stated before nintendo put hardly any development power into the Wii other than the gimmicky remote. I payed my 600...and i got everything i expected. I knew before hand the greatest games would not be at launch and i still not regret my choice.
If you're happy with your purchase, then no one is suggesting you should regret it. You spent your discretionary income in a way that makes you happy, kudos. Just don't take offense if and when people start pointing out what they perceive as problems with the system, or its price point, or whatever. I know I don't. I know what I like, I buy what I like, and to heck with what anyone else thinks about it.

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Wrong! It was not innovative. I have been playing the same battle system for 4 years. FFXI anyone? Yes i own FFXII...sadly. The gameis not completely crap but it is the same story idea recycled yet again.
Well, yes and no. It definitely brought an MMO feel to a single player game; which, frankly, is somewhat innovative in and of iteself. But I was referring more to the gambit system, which can be used in ways far more complex than any MMO.

As far as the story goes, I've played almost every FF and this one wasn't the same story at all. Unless you're claiming that the entire "young hero is swept up into epic quest to save the world" is what's been rehashed...in which case your complaint is against every fantasy RPG ever made, not just FF.

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Not saying just technology. If you have played MGS you should have noticed how outstanding the storyline music are. Is is like you are playing a movie. The maker (Kojima?) is a genius. Each version adds new control and gameplay elements never seen before in a action game. Then games like Mass Effect which has to be one of the most innovative rpg in a long time.
Eeh, to each his own I guess. I know I'm in a small minority by not caring for MGS. I've "played movies" before, that's basically what Wing Commander III and IV were like. The "movie" gets in the way of the game play, IMHO. Anyway, let's not debate which games we like vs. which ones we don't...that's more appropriate in the gaming forums.

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You proved my point. You stated that cheaper was better. I provided examples that this statement is wrong. Nintendo being cheaper does not make it better. Just provides something for people who do not wish to pay $600 for a system. Maybe i got your meaning wrong.
Yep, mistook me. My actual words were

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But for the overwhelming masses of Average Joes out there, "cheaper" trumps "better".
I am not asserting that a cheaper console, car, or whatever is actually of a higher quality than a more expensive, and obstensibly "better", competitor. I am asserting that the vast majority of people are willing to give up some of that quality to get a better price. Only the richest if the rich don't factor price into into their purchases at all...even the high-end purchases you and I make, the ones that we think are really expensive, are still a trade-off for the ridiculously high quality and ridiculously expensive things that we could buy instead.

So given that as the basis, the actual argument is from a larger ecomonic and business view, not a personal view. Cheaper but "good enough" continues to trump higher quality ("better") but more expensive. The evidence should be crystal clear: The Wii's lineup is just as thin as the PS3's, yet the cheaper units without expensive media center functions are flying off the shelves while the expensive, one-machine-does-it-all console collects dust. The market has spoken again, this simple economic reality is simply indisputable.

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The demand is there because Nintendo is offering a system at a price a majority of the population can afford that is consistent with how much the technology of said system is worth. They cannot afford to raise there price because then they leave their niche they have formed and go into the bracket of being overpriced because the technology does not warrant the price.

Actually i think the shortage works against Nintendo. How long you think this level of demand will last? What games does Nintendo have lined up to compete against X360 and PS3 come this holiday season? You think people will care about Wii when heavy weight like GTA4 and Halo3 step into the ring? I would be trying to sell as many sytems now as possible.
I can't predict how long demand can be kept up, but there's no end in sight yet. Scarcity itself can help create demand, so I still believe the shortage benefits Nintendo to some degree. There are actually some conspiracy minded folks that believe Nintendo is doing it intentionally, but I don't buy into that.

As far as what's coming out this holiday season, I know you have no interest in it, but Super Mario Galaxy is a guaranteed blockbuster. It will be on my Xmas list!

But yes, GTA4 and the other games coming out are huuuuge, and are bound to spur sales of the PS3 and X360 at the Wii's expense. I'm thinking that this Xmas is going to be one of the best gaming seasons in years...there will be so many amazing games that we simply won't have time to play them all! That's a good problem for we gamers to have.

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Not saying that Sony made half the games they are given credit for. it is the fact that Sony gives the freedom to play games Nintendo would theme as improper. Really you telling me GTA or Halo cannot out sell Mario? Nintedo first party games have always been few and far in-between. If a company does not think they can make a game that can compete in that time than that company should consider closing the doors.
Remember, I didn't say that stuff about competition on the Wii...I'm just reporting what the guy from Shiny games said. I find it hard to believe myself, but he actually works in the biz...I'll at least listen to what he says and not discount it out-of-hand.

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It all comes down to variety. nintendo has lacked that since the end of SNES. Sony has stepped up and given its gamers unlimited variety of different genres and rating lvl games to play so has Microsoft now. Nintendo is known for not wanting certain types of games on their system. Do you honestly think we will ever see GTA on Wii?
No variety? Mario is different from Zelda is different from Mario Kart is different from Pikmin is different from Animal Crossing...etc, etc, etc. There is just as much variety on Nintendo consoles are there is on any other console. If by "variety" you mean "realistic FPS" or "play a movie" games...that's not variety, that's just a preference for a certain style of game.

And there was a GTA on the GBA...so anything's possible. But no, I don't think we'll ever see a GTA on the Wii. Not because there's no audience for GTA, but because GTA4 is setting a technical bar that will redefine what GTA is supposed to be that the Wii simply can't handle.
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The only remotely decent franchise there is Resistance, I know it hasn't been out for long, but I actually enjoyed it.
***? You put Resistance over God of War? Resistance i personally think is barely a decent game. I will be damned if i ever add that to my library. Out of the list Resistance is one of the weakest. GoW has to be one of the best new franchises if not THE best to appear these past 4 years. Heavenly Sword looks like a masterpiece and so does Lair.

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I admit singstar is a well created franchise, but strange considering Singstar relied on the game design principles Nintendo has used for years, "If it's fun, they will come".
You honestly think Nintendo has always used this principle?



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It has been well known for months that the Wii was outselling PS3 large margin.Wii is enjoying alot of exposure due to affordable price and decent line-up of opening games. Question is how long can it last? There upcoming lineup is the weakest of the 3 systems. Widely known to be the weakest of the 3 grahpically also. How long can u live of the motion censor gimmick of waving ur arms around? Don't see how people can give up games like Mass Effect and Too Human for X360 and GT5 and Metal Gear 4 for PS3. Is waving ur arms around really that much fun?
You....don't get it. Video games are supposed to be fun. Graphics doesn't equal fun. So please, scratch off graphics from the conversation. And to use your own analogy of 'waving ur arms around', ....well, the people that I consider to have the most fun day in and day out are little kids, and they run around like crazy, waving their arms around like mad. Siting on your couch, overweight, with a bag of doritos and cramped fingers may be fun TO YOU. Heck, it may be fun to the 5% of the world's population that are 'gamers'. But there are 95% of the population that don't like button-mashers. The wii is fun for them.

Ah, you didn't get it before, you probably won't get it now. The wii isn't in a fad, it's the future of interactive entertainment.
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***? You put Resistance over God of War? Resistance i personally think is barely a decent game. I will be damned if i ever add that to my library. Out of the list Resistance is one of the weakest. GoW has to be one of the best new franchises if not THE best to appear these past 4 years. Heavenly Sword looks like a masterpiece and so does Lair.
I'd put Resistance above GoW also and I own both of them. The GoW gameplay is terrible imho. I couldn't get into to it at all, whereas at least with Resistance it's a typical FPS that I'm accustomed to playing. But I'm a 1st person shooter kinda guy dating back to the Turok/Goldeneye era of N64. I always thought Tomb Raider sucked for the same reason. GoW is just as bad and entirely overrated. You can say it's a real pretty game, but great graphics do not equal a good game imho.
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You....don't get it. Video games are supposed to be fun. Graphics doesn't equal fun. So please, scratch off graphics from the conversation. And to use your own analogy of 'waving ur arms around', ....well, the people that I consider to have the most fun day in and day out are little kids, and they run around like crazy, waving their arms around like mad. Siting on your couch, overweight, with a bag of doritos and cramped fingers may be fun TO YOU. Heck, it may be fun to the 5% of the world's population that are 'gamers'. But there are 95% of the population that don't like button-mashers. The wii is fun for them.
Ah, you didn't get it before, you probably won't get it now. The wii isn't in a fad, it's the future of interactive entertainment.
Who said that graphics equals fun...? I never in any of my comments stated this. Just because the games i stated are high in graphics AND fun is just by coincidence. Also you forget that "fun" all perspective. Also most "gamers" are not overwieight couch sitters. I played football/track in high school and i am still in great physical shape and play real sports. My viewpoint is if i wanted to to wave my arms around....i would go outside and actually do so, but this is my personal opinion.

Also if graphics and advancement in image/visual quality is nothing and all we are worried about is "FUN" we would all still be playing on NES.


How the hell you come with 95% population does not like buton mashers? Nice job throwing away over 20years of video game history. WIth PS2 and X360 still going strong i doubt there is only a 5% interest in button mashers.

Yup i still do not get it. Plz show me this bright future of innovation and dominance in interactive gaming. Show me the major games and advances in the field Nintendo has planned. Show me the new franchises they plan on opening up. Show me how they plan on working with major 3rd party developers and getting some of those big games like Assasin's Creed on the Wii.

What i do get is that the Wii is just not for some people. Just like the PS3 is not for everyone. The thing that gets me upset and why i posted i the first place is Sony get bashed every day about the PS3 when there is nothing wrong with the system. Sure you can say the BluRay was not needed but do not call it overpriced since it is not. Also some people do enjoy the BluRay. ONly prob i see with the PS3 which i stated in the beginning is lack of current games, but it has the largest list of upcoming games than X360 and Wii put together. Then i look at Wii which is extremey weaker than the PS3 in every field except ofcourse price and has few games announced for future release. Also some of the big name games that are multiplatfirm are unable to be released on the Wii because of tech restrictions yet no one bashes it and i am like ***....

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I'd put Resistance above GoW also and I own both of them. The GoW gameplay is terrible imho. I couldn't get into to it at all, whereas at least with Resistance it's a typical FPS that I'm accustomed to playing. But I'm a 1st person shooter kinda guy dating back to the Turok/Goldeneye era of N64. I always thought Tomb Raider sucked for the same reason. GoW is just as bad and entirely overrated. You can say it's a real pretty game, but great graphics do not equal a good game imho.
I just did not enjoy Resistance. Nothing that seperates from the tons of other FPS out there. I am very picky when it comes to FPS since i am not a "major" fan of the genre. I only buy the rare special ones (Half-Life) or extremely high gun factor (Bf2)
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So advertising and marketing messages are gospel now?

They can advertise them as anything they want...that doesn't change the fact that their primary purpose is for gaming. Maybe the convergence message resonates well with you and some other early adopters, but not with the overwhelming majority of the world. The XBox and Playstation brand are associated with games, not media centers. The word "Playstation" is a cultural synonym for "video games"...albeit not to the same degree as the word "Nintendo".
But see your logic falls thru here because some people didn't use it as a Video game player and only bought it for Blu Ray. It's main purpose is entertainment. Whether that be Games, Movies, Music, or even Linux if that floats your boat. Obviously more people get it for games, but that isn't the point. The main purpose is dictated by the individual not by it's features, so your statement is a generalization.
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Every console has its own merit and I would own all three if I had the money.
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