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AMD and Intel Make CPUs. ANd currently Intel is owning anything AMD has thrown at them.
not necessarily.

the amd quad father platform (4x4) owns intel's core 2 extreme qxXXXX series when it comes to rendering, and such applications
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post #22 of 31
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Umm.. The new AMD line is coming out in July.
Hardly. http://www.overclock.net/news-overcl...barcelona.html
Even if Barcelona is released in July or August (unlikely), Barcelona is a 2-way server processor. Versions of K10 that are usable to us will probably be released in Q4 07/Q1 08. What a long wait...
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post #23 of 31
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A MutiCore as in 6 processors, LIke IBMS PS3 protype.
There are many things wrong in this sentence. Feel free to "tl:dr" me...this is what I do.

#1: Cell's components aren't really "cores" per se. It's a 3.2+Ghz Power Architecture-based, multithreaded core similar to 64-bit PowerPC processors, allowing it to facilitate the calculations needed for conventional operating systems. The main use of it, however, is to coordinate the multiple, redundant elements that make up the Cell processor. The point is that Cell is not really "multi-core".

#2: 6 processors? Ok, it's the single Power Processing Element, or PPE. Following that is actually eight Synergistic Processing Elements, or SPEs. The SPE architecture is coordinated towards vectorized floating point execution, something that isn't a part of most desktop operating systems. However, SPE-oriented operating systems like that on the PS3 run on a single SPE just fine...it's all about programming, and it isn't impossible, even on the first consumer product to use Cell (the PS3). Another SPE on the PS3 is reserved for absolutely nothing - it can be dead, it might work. This improves the rate at which processors can be turned out of the factory as "good", because in the beginning of every technology's life, working yields are low. Six of the eight SPEs are available to PS3 game makers.

To put a long, boring explanation short, it takes some complicated programming to reach the theoretical capacity of the SPEs' power, chained together in many different ways. Some say that "theoretical" means nothing, but the truth is that they've gotten the Cell to 98% peak performance. At 3.2Ghz (same as the PPE), each SPE can reach 25.6GFLOPS (very high). This totals to 200.704GFLOPS for the entire complex, with this 98% applied. This is a ****load of computing power, by the way.

#3: IBM did NOT invent Cell. It is NOT "theirs". The STI in "STI Cell" does not stand for "Subaru Tecnica International", it stands for "Sony, Toshiba, IBM". They are the co-creators.
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I would venture to guess that the time has come for AMD. They have been pretty quiet, compared to intel in the past before C2D. The Phenom is going to blow away the competition.
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post #25 of 31
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Penryn, FTW

no i'm not a fanboy, i buy what's best for the money...

45nm true-quad-core looks pretty pwnsome...
QFT... I think Intels got AMD beat till they get a bitta cash in their pockets...
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post #26 of 31
I think AMD has fallen to far behind the CPU race. I don't think they will ever recover. By the time K10 is ready for the public Intel will have something bigger, faster, and way better. And I was an AMD fanboy too. Guess not anymore. lol.

To be honest I'll be very suprised if AMD's new lineup is faster than the current Intel.
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post #27 of 31
Oy, again with the BIAS.

Again, I think this is the same as the Pentium (4 32,4 64, D) vs Athlon XP/64/X2 days. AMD was winning then. Now it's intel's turn. Guess what? AMD is coming back as well. It's a never-ending cycle.
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post #28 of 31
I still haven't seen any proof with regards to AMD's claims. In my opinion, simply incorporateing a shared L3 cache, which not many desktop apps use, and ramping up the clock speeds a little after switching to 65nm, wont be enough.

Meh, not long to wait now I guess, but there really should be some sort of benchies out soon if they really intend to release them in July.
post #29 of 31
Let me use my future-reading powers so I can see the future battle between Intel and AMD.

Seriously, no one has ES chips of K10, so it doesn't exist yet. No one knows and there have been a million threads like this over the past few months.

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Talking about a chip we haven't really seen is way cooler than actually benching it!
    
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