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It's fancy marketing... so pointless. Memory does not overclock better by "improved the connection". The memory themselvese are failing. Also, it have been shown that memory does not need extreme cooling to overclock better. If you get this... I bet you have the full Fata1ity set
How is that extreme cooling?
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It's fancy marketing... so pointless. Memory does not overclock better by "improved the connection". The memory themselvese are failing. Also, it have been shown that memory does not need extreme cooling to overclock better. If you get this... I bet you have the full Fata1ity set
That is very wrong. The connection most certainly DOES allow for a different overclock. There's a reason why DDR2 has more pins. The extra pins allow for a more stable connection to the motherboard. If the RAM is soldered directly to the board, I wouldn't be surprised if the performance was better. Every little connection in an electrical component degrades the signal. The power on modular power supplies has been under fire because the modular connection adds the same resistance of about 2.5 feet of wire. Same thing applies here.

I don't know if I'd buy it.. but only because the upgrade path is pretty much closed.
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But then you have to return the whole thing and be qithout a computer for however long Asus decides to take
Would windows see this as a hardware change and require reactivation?
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If you get the same board back I don't think you'd have a problem
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I don't like the idea of motherboards having integrated ram... not at all. This means fork out more money more often if it is successful, because it will be done more often and may weed out separate ram and mobo units. If your going to call me crazy look at what has happened in the past.
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It's fancy marketing... so pointless. Memory does not overclock better by "improved the connection". The memory themselvese are failing. Also, it have been shown that memory does not need extreme cooling to overclock better. If you get this... I bet you have the full Fata1ity set
But think about if they price it as they say they will - then you get a sweet motherboard with good, integrated RAM for the price of RAM at the same speed.
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what happens at upgrade time. or when ddr3 1333 is like the ddr2 at 400 or 533 mhz
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That is very wrong. The connection most certainly DOES allow for a different overclock. There's a reason why DDR2 has more pins. The extra pins allow for a more stable connection to the motherboard. If the RAM is soldered directly to the board, I wouldn't be surprised if the performance was better. Every little connection in an electrical component degrades the signal. The power on modular power supplies has been under fire because the modular connection adds the same resistance of about 2.5 feet of wire. Same thing applies here.

I don't know if I'd buy it.. but only because the upgrade path is pretty much closed.
The reason DDR2 has more pins is for extra stablity? Wrong. Here's why...
1) DDR3 still has the same number of pins. Why didn't they increase pins since it is for stability?
2) Why didn't they design it with 300 pins or 400 pins? PCB manufactoring can easily do it.

The reason that DDR2 has more pins is becase the data bus required it. It has nothing to do with stability.

Every little connection increases resistence. Go research the resistence of 2.5ft of wire a bit further. It barely affects anything especially at low currents and voltages. Also, memory is digital. As long as the signal is above a certain threshold, it is either 0 or 1. The cause of memory overclocking failure is electromigration within the modules. This has nothing to do with the motherboard/memory PCB interface connection.
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Argh needs 4 Gigs...

I like my reaction when I read it has 2GB on board, I pointed to the picture and said, WHAT!?
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Id get it for the full copper bling effect XD then use it for 'overclock a pc in vegatable oil' testing ^.^
    
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