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Well while you guys buy up intel chips, thank stubborn people like me still buying AMD to keep the competitor in business.
That may work in theory... but with all the pricedrops and new chips etc...
It's gonna get REAL tough on AMD, tougher than it is already.
    
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8 cores, crazy, Never thought I'd live to see the day.
Depending upon your age, I GUARANTEE (barring any WWIII) you will easily see 64 cores in the consumer market. Hell they are already doing crazy stuff with 128 cores.

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That may work in theory... but with all the pricedrops and new chips etc...
It's gonna get REAL tough on AMD, tougher than it is already.
I fear this is correct. I have no allegiances when it comes to processors (hence owning a 3000+ and hanging out in the Intel area). I simply buy what'l get me the best processor for the money. So I'm obviously ecstatic about what Intel's doing, they are really taking it to AMD by dropping prices and coming out with new kick-ass chips.

But what happens when there's no ones butt left to kick? Like in any business market we need that plurality and competition to keep things moving as they are. I pray AMD has something up there sleeve, and get their act together in the next 6 months. And I hope to God they can stay afloat with this thrashing from Intel.

Otherwise, can you say "Monopo...."?
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MONOPO!
Ya, I can say it, so what?

    
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MONOPO!
Ya, I can say it, so what?

Cute.

We'll see who's laughing when you're paying $2k for the newest processor! haHA!
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How much will a Wolfdale cost? How much will a quad cost?
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Dear AMD,
CORE 2 DUOWNED!

Sincerely,
THAT guy.
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I fear this is correct. I have no allegiances when it comes to processors (hence owning a 3000+ and hanging out in the Intel area). I simply buy what'l get me the best processor for the money. So I'm obviously ecstatic about what Intel's doing, they are really taking it to AMD by dropping prices and coming out with new kick-ass chips.

But what happens when there's no ones butt left to kick? Like in any business market we need that plurality and competition to keep things moving as they are. I pray AMD has something up there sleeve, and get their act together in the next 6 months. And I hope to God they can stay afloat with this thrashing from Intel.

Otherwise, can you say "Monopo...."?

No, microsoft aside(they actually brought the DOJ to its knees), our government along with other governments would file antitrust charges. If you don't believe that look @ current ddr2 memory pricing those prices are directly related to the recent price fixing case(s). But an antitrust case would imply that AMD completely vanished... not likely. Bankruptcy and/or a change of management is the most likely outcome and that might be the best thing for AMD the way they are headed. There have been rumors of IBM buying out AMD but if they had wanted to do that they would have already done so back when AMD stock prices were rock bottom(around $5-6 share price in late 02 early 03). I would like to see chartered and/or TSMC buyout or merge with AMD that would give them the manufacturing capacity and expertise they sorely lack. All the advancement we have seen from IBM, Sony ect ect the CPU market may see some new players in the coming years. Long story short, competition will remain.
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No, microsoft aside(they actually brought the DOJ to its knees), our government along with other governments would file antitrust charges. If you don't believe that look @ current ddr2 memory pricing those prices are directly related to the recent price fixing case(s). But an antitrust case would imply that AMD completely vanished... not likely. Bankruptcy and/or a change of management is the most likely outcome and that might be the best thing for AMD the way they are headed. There have been rumors of IBM buying out AMD but if they had wanted to do that they would have already done so back when AMD stock prices were rock bottom(around $5-6 share price in late 02 early 03). I would like to see chartered and/or TSMC buyout or merge with AMD that would give them the manufacturing capacity and expertise they sorely lack. All the advancement we have seen from IBM, Sony ect ect the CPU market may see some new players in the coming years. Long story short, competition will remain.
Fair enough, this day in age its nearly impossible for a corporation to hold an outright monopoly on anything, there's always someone willing to do it for cheaper. And along with the governmental restrictions, Intel would be shooting themselves in the foot by trying to completly destroy AMD/ATI. And as you said, I can see some other players entering the processor market soon, which will benefit us consumers. I think a possible buyout or merge (or at least some new management) might do a lot of good for AMD, and hopefully reignite the competition. If Intel and AMD were on the same playing feild in terms of developmental resources, we'd be seeing new technology coming at a much faster rate. As well, prices would drop quicker because it would be "outdated" so much faster. I can parallel it with the space race of the 60's. When the US and the USSR were competing for the moon, we kicked in billions upon billions of dollars and pushed as hard as we could to invent the technology to allow us to reach the moon. After our last apollo mission, NASA has more or less been out of the spotlight except for occasional incidents and achievements. Nothing like the manpower and innovative drive of the 60's, and its because we aren't really "competing" with anyone anymore.
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I can parallel it with the space race of the 60's. When the US and the USSR were competing for the moon, we kicked in billions upon billions of dollars and pushed as hard as we could to invent the technology to allow us to reach the moon. After our last apollo mission, NASA has more or less been out of the spotlight except for occasional incidents and achievements. Nothing like the manpower and innovative drive of the 60's, and its because we aren't really "competing" with anyone anymore.

I like the anology, only problem is for NASA the return on investment was "mission accomplished" we have landed on the moon... Now what? At some point though Intel is going to want tech evolution/revolution to slow so they can bring in some phat profits. Truth is most people can't afford to upgrade on the new tech cycle that has been established, at this rate intel will canabalize its own profit margins with a lowered return on investment. Worse yet software and game development are lagging behind the hardware advancements as well; so the "need" to upgrade will be met with financial and under utilization barriers. Honestly the bulk of "average joe" americans (and most likely other people of other nations) use their computers as graduated typewrites and magical pron couriers. Not many people do photo/video editing or CAD based rendering.
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Worse yet software and game development are lagging behind the hardware advancements as well; so the "need" to upgrade will be met with financial and under utilization barriers. Honestly the bulk of "average joe" americans (and most likely other people of other nations) use their computers as graduated typewrites and magical pron couriers. Not many people do photo/video editing or CAD based rendering.
This is another big problem we're seeing recently. When I take a step back and look at the big picture it seems odd to me that we're shelling out hundreds of dollars on hardware that cannot even be utilized by the best software available yet. We purchase the best video cards, 4 core processors, and yet by the time these things are actually utilized (DX10 games, using 4 cores in gaming, etc) there will be bigger and better products out there to handle it. How very paradoxical. We always sit on the cusp of new technology, but when the software doesn't keep up, its almost moot. Intel (and Nvidia) are going to have to recognize this, and more inportantly us consumers.

But then again I'm such a hypocrite, I'll be getting a Q6600 next month without a single game that can really utilize its 4 cores. And I'll hardly be "future proofed". By the time Alan Wake and other games with 4 core support are released, we'll probably be into the Penryn age and my little Q will be trounced by faster, more efficient products.
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