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Okay, I've read plenty of stickies, plenty of guides, plenty of recommendations and most of the consensus is:
Thermochill PA + Laing DDC Petra top = The win

However, not everyone is running a quad core loop with dual 8800's.

Where's the balanced performance for the budget conscious?

I've seen that most people say the Swiftech MCR220 or 360 QP is second place to the Thermochill's and the best performance in its price range. Any truth to this?

Also, I've found that the 12v MCR355 / Laing DDC with Petra mod is very freakin' hard to find. I've found plenty of 10w versions, but wouldn't getting the 10w version completely negate the reason for going with a DDC over a D5? And is the performance of a D5/DDC really necessary, for say, example:
Core 2 Quad 6600
Single G80 card
+ Northbridge?

Most people say, that with the heat of a Q6600 and G80 card, you'll need a very good radiator, but money is an issue to me. I don't see myself throwing over a grand at cooling, because if I do, I'd rather get a 240 loop for the video-card and just buy a Vaporchill and get it modded for the Q6600.

How do these fare up as far as a Q6600 and G80 and if a Q6600 is over-kill, I might drop down to a 6420 or even an E4300 (I don't really need much processing power), but in case any of these options is good enough for a quad + G80 I'll consider it:
Swiftech MCR220 x2 -
Loop: MCR 220 -> Pump -> CPU -> Northbridge -> MCR 220 -> G80 -> Reservoir -> Back to first MCR220

Cons of this loop: One pump might not be enough power unless I opt for a DDC Petra top or D5, and even then it might not be enough power. Pushing through two radiators could be a hassle.

Swiftech MCR360 -
Loop: MCR360 -> Pump -> CPU -> GPU -> Northbridge -> reservoir -> Back to radiator
Cons of this loop: Even with a D5/DDC, I don't know if an MCR360 is enough to cool a Q6600 and if I spend the money to get a thermochill, I don't think I'll have enough funds for a Quad. I guess it's a catch 22, either spend less, get a dual and won't need Thermochill or get a quad but risk not having enough low temps to keep it cool.

I know some people will be like, "Well it's not good to be cheap when you're going water". Yeah, that might be the case, but it's not like I'm buying a Thermaltake Big Water and some 80mm fans. I mean, I plan on going with:
Apogee GT or Fuzion CPU (Most likely GT)
Fuzion GPU
MCW30
Micro RES Swiftech Res
MCR 220x2 or 360x1
D5 or DDC with top mod (They're so hard to find and spending $100 on a pump for a $200-230 loop sounds foolish, are there any good pumps that aren't $100?)

If I can get a pump that's powerful enough and not loud that can handle the dual loop, I'll be able to afford a Thermochill
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D5 or DDC-2 (18w) can handle the double rad loop fine. The DDC-2 (18w) with Petra's top are in stock now at their website.
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D5 or DDC-2 (18w) can handle the double rad loop fine. The DDC-2 (18w) with Petra's top are in stock now at their website.
But do you think a pump of that caliber is necessary for what I want to do? Because I mean, I'm not planning on going SLI.

It just seems a bit weird that the only pumps people recommend in water cooling custom kits are both $75-100 pumps. Is the pump the 100% main component of cooling, like the DDC/D5 = Bare minimum?
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There are alot of different radiators out there, some are better at low speed fans. The thermochill is king for that, but if you have room for a larger cheaper radiator, you can get an equal amount of radiator performance cheaply by using more radiator.

For example one Thermochill PA120.2 is roughly equal in performance to an MCR320. Double vs. Triple radiator. You'll have to buy another fan, but if it's yate loons, then the $3 isn't going to matter. Now what does matter is the $120 PA120.2 price vs. the $45 MCR320 price.

I would just get a good NB/SB air cooler like the thermalright HR-05 (I run at 35C with mine, was 51C stock) and cool your CPU and GPU only, then you could still use a D5 pump. Ditch the reservoir and go with a T line, that'll save you some money and less restriction as well. Also you still need some air flow around your MB for the mosfets, so you're never going to be completely water cooled, that's why it makes more sense to me to just focus on the CPU/GPU. If you want to run more than two water blocks, and two radiators, I would just make sure you get the petra top pump, it'll probably do fine with all that restriction.
    
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They are giving you the recommended pumps, there are alternatives. I still use a $20 pump to cool my 3.2E and it has been going for 2 years. I too want a D5 and will get it pretty soon, Me hopes.
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I've seen that most people say the Swiftech MCR220 or 360 QP is second place to the Thermochill's and the best performance in its price range. Any truth to this?
Most people think thermochill rads are the best just because they cost the most and are the thickest

If you look at them compared to another rad like by HWlabs or Swiftech they stand no chance

The fins are very spaced.

IMHO the best radiator ever made is the HWlabs Black Ice GTX and the Black ice extreme right after that
    
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Thermochill rock with low speed fans.... but perform same or worse using higher speed fans.
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Originally Posted by born2killU View Post
Most people think thermochill rads are the best just because they cost the most and are the thickest

If you look at them compared to another rad like by HWlabs or Swiftech they stand no chance

The fins are very spaced.

IMHO the best radiator ever made is the HWlabs Black Ice GTX and the Black ice extreme right after that
Just got my Black Ice 360 GTX today I must say I am very very far from disappointed
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So thermochill = Best passive set up?

I plan on using Yate Loon D12SM-12 at stock speeds which i think is 28 dba and 54 cfm.

Maybe I'll use a D5.

If I just run a CPU/GPU loop will a D5 be good? Is there an even cheaper solution than that? I see lots of pumps, it's hard to believe most of them are "crap".
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Originally Posted by born2killU View Post
Most people think thermochill rads are the best just because they cost the most and are the thickest

If you look at them compared to another rad like by HWlabs or Swiftech they stand no chance

The fins are very spaced.

IMHO the best radiator ever made is the HWlabs Black Ice GTX and the Black ice extreme right after that
Yeah honestly the good old BIX can more then hold its own with some good 100+ cfm fans on it...It costs half as much as the Thermochill and with high cfm fans the Thermochill only beats it by a C or two...I really like the 480 GTX to I dropped from 10psi with a 240 BIX and Stinger V-6 to 9psi with the 480 and a Stinger V-8 granted the V-8 is a DO block but the GTX still has a low pressure drop...


OP if cost is a concern its hard to beat the performance of heater-cores they will wipe the floor with most rads...


As far as pumps go you get what you pay for with them...
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