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So thermochill = Best passive set up?

I plan on using Yate Loon D12SM-12 at stock speeds which i think is 28 dba and 54 cfm.

Maybe I'll use a D5.

If I just run a CPU/GPU loop will a D5 be good? Is there an even cheaper solution than that? I see lots of pumps, it's hard to believe most of them are "crap".
I saw a thread somewhere that mentioned under 70cfm the thermochill PA 120.3 was just as good as a HW 480 GTX, over 70cfm that's when the 480 GTX pulls away.

I had my CPU and GPU and two MCR320s in a loop with the D5. I was getting 1.6 gal/min and that with an additional 16' of test tubing, so without the extra test tubing I was probably getting closer to 2 gal/min. As long as you don't have a bunch of elbows or running really restrictive water blocks like the Storm or some other impingment typ block, the D5 will be fine.

I wouldn't waste your money on the variable version, everyone runs it at max anyway. I have one of each and don't see the point in the variable unless you were adding it to a thermatake system where you were afraid of blowing a line and needed to turn it down. It's a silent pump, if I had to guess it's under 20 db is you leave it free standing (don't mount it solid). This is the one I just bought:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmc12vdcpuw.html

The db-1 is also getting some recent great reviews in single block loop applications or something where very low flow is not a problem. But it's probably half as powerfull as a D5 but not quiet half the price. It has 6ft of head so it's every bit as powerfull in pressure as any of the aquarium designed pumps that are much larger and run on AC.

http://www.petrastechshop.com/ddb12inpu.html

Some of the AC pumps I've seen are the Eheim pumps:
http://www.dangerden.com/store/home.php?cat=26

Or the Hyldor L30 or L35.

But my memory sucks, and to run an AC pump I'd have to setup a relay or leave the darn thing on 24/7, that's why I like the DC pumps.

Here is also an older link to a sticky thread about choosing the right pump.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=41495



IMO you have four levels I would choose from:

Iwaki RD-30 - 33 ft head. The extreme pump, if you have to have the best, here it is. Need a 24V psu or DC to DC converter.$240 Could probably run a single loop through multiple PCs.
http://www.petrastechshop.com/iwrd24vdcinp.html

18W DDC with Petra top - 22 ft head / moderate flow rate. The best pressure pump, good for multiple blocks and high restriction. $100
http://www.petrastechshop.com/laddcwpeddto.html

The D5/MCP655 - 11ft head/ good flow rate. Good all around pump can do multiple blocks, but gets past up by the DDC when restrictions get high. $69
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmc12vdcpuw.html

The D-tek DB-1 - 6ft of head/ moderate flow rate. Good pump for single block type applications $45
http://www.petrastechshop.com/ddb12inpu.html
    
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Get the D5...it's a great little pump and you can adjust the speed to suit your needs. It may be a little bit more expensive but it'll serve you well for years to come. If later on down the road you want to add more stuff into your system then all you gota do it turn the pump up a bit. The adjustability alone is well worth the price as you can choose between performance and acoustics...even though it's really not that loud at high speed.
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I'm thinking-
D5 non adjustable or max speed version
Fuzion GPU/CPU combo blocks
MCR 320 or Black Ice, which is better? I plan on using Yate Loon 54CFM fans
T line instead of reservoir? I heard performance on a T is better but it takes longer to leak test

I'm wondering if two 240's is better than a single 320 because of a Q6600 and G80 in the same loop. They're both very hot parts and I'd hate to get worse than air temps because of it.
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NamelessMC where are you planning on mounting all of your rads, pumps etc, inside the case or outside? I was planning on somewhat the same setup. Q6600, One 8800GTX, and maybe a N/B block. I just bought BlacKIce GTX 240 and BlackIce GTX 120 with a MCP655, and a D-Tek Fusion block. My loop is going to be this. GTX240-->D-Tek-->8800GTX/Ek or DD FB-->GTX120-->T-Line-->MCP655-->GTX240 I will use this for my cooling on the N/S Bridges if I have to Thermaltake CL-C0034 (air cooling)
Now the Swiftech Rads are only 1.33 inches thick compared to the GTX 2.12 inches & Thermochill 2.4 inches thick. The thicker the better for getting rid of the heat. I would recomend after your loop from the GPU make sure it goes to your second rad then back to the first rad. You need to DUMP the HEAT from the GPU block before it goes back to the CPU rad.

Here are some links on some good rad thicker then the Swiftech by 1/2 inch
or more.. And I would just go with the MCP655 pump, I leave it on high and never I hear it. You can use the Swifteh just get (2) 240 rads should do it.

Ira-k recomends these fans for the price its a steal PANAFLO 120x38MM HIGH SPEED FAN 86.5CFM 35.5DBA
http://www.svc.com/fba12g12m.html

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...&filter_id=133
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...x&filter_id=87
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...&filter_id=114
    
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NamelessMC where are you planning on mounting all of your rads, pumps etc, inside the case or outside? I was planning on somewhat the same setup. Q6600, One 8800GTX, and maybe a N/B block. I just bought BlacKIce GTX 240 and BlackIce GTX 120 with a MCP655, and a D-Tek Fusion block. My loop is going to be this. GTX240-->D-Tek-->8800GTX/Ek or DD FB-->GTX120-->T-Line-->MCP655-->GTX240 I will use this for my cooling on the N/S Bridges if I have to Thermaltake CL-C0034 (air cooling)
Now the Swiftech Rads are only 1.33 inches thick compared to the GTX 2.12 inches & Thermochill 2.4 inches thick. The thicker the better for getting rid of the heat. I would recomend after your loop from the GPU make sure it goes to your second rad then back to the first rad. You need to DUMP the HEAT from the GPU block before it goes back to the CPU rad.

Here are some links on some good rad thicker then the Swiftech by 1/2 inch
or more.. And I would just go with the MCP655 pump, I leave it on high and never I hear it. You can use the Swifteh just get (2) 240 rads should do it.

Ira-k recomends these fans for the price its a steal PANAFLO 120x38MM HIGH SPEED FAN 86.5CFM 35.5DBA
http://www.svc.com/fba12g12m.html

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...&filter_id=133
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...x&filter_id=87
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...&filter_id=114
Yeah but you're missing the point that I want to spend a modest amount of money. The Black Ice GTX costs about the same as the Thermochill PA, and if I'm spending more than $100 on a rad, I'd rather get the Thermochill because half of the reason I want to go water is because it's quieter. If I get a Black Ice GTX, I'll need 70+ CFM fans to get good performance out of it and 35 DBA on a fan is ridiculously loud. I've heard from people about the Panaflo. At the stock speed, they're loud, and if you down volt them, they're even louder because of motor whine.

I don't want to spend more than $200-250 to be honest, and I don't want to hear the "You get what you pay for" argument. In every other concept of PC modding, you don't just "get what you pay for". I'm sure there's good performance parts that aren't the top of the line ones, I just need people to point me in the right direction.
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Have you seen this?


...http://www.overclock.net/faqs/109598...ercooling.html
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I don't want to spend more than $200-250 to be honest, and I don't want to hear the "You get what you pay for" argument. In every other concept of PC modding, you don't just "get what you pay for". I'm sure there's good performance parts that aren't the top of the line ones, I just need people to point me in the right direction.
You're going to have to sacrifice something man, most likely the "quietness" of the setup. A BIP 360 rad will only run you $45, but you'll need to run high airflow (loud) fans on it to get the performance. Even better, a BIP 240 rad will cool just fine for a smaller setup (a CPU-only loop, or even a CPU+GPU loop) and they only cost $35, but again, you need a large amount of airflow.

BIP 240
BIP 360

Pumps are a different story. I'm not too schooled in pumps, but I know the MCP655 is better for less restrictive/shorter loops, the MCP355(350) is king of restrictive/longer loops because of it's higher head.
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Try this:

(1) x $45.00 Swiftech MCR320-QP-K Triple
(3) x $33.00 Thermaltake Thunderblade 120mm Low Noise 21dBA 78CFM
(1) x $45.00 DB-1 Compact Low Noise 12 Volt Pump
(1) x $60.00 D-tek FuZion CPU Water Block
(4ft) $12.00 Tygon 3603 1/2" ID Clear Tubing
(1) x $25.00 D-Tek UNI-Sink NVIDIA 8800GTX Block
(1) x $38.00 DangerDen Acetal MAZE4 GPU LP
(1) x 2.00 Swiftech HydrX Coolant
(2) x $2.00 Distilled water 2 Gallons

Total $262.00 not including TAX & Shipping..
This is over your budget but it would cool everything CPU>VGA with good parts..Sorry I tried..

Now just cooling the CPU with a Triple rad low noise 21dBA pump and fans at 78CFM your under budget it $199.99 (NO GPU COOLING)


http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCR...r-pr-3320.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...x&filter_id=25
http://www.jab-tech.com/dB-1-Compact...p-pr-3758.html
http://www.jab-tech.com/D-tek-FuZion...k-pr-3667.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...oducts_id=2729
http://www.sharkacomputers.com/dtekunisink.html
http://www.dangerden.com/store/produ...&cat=48&page=1
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...oducts_id=1955
    
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I think they have mounting hardware for the Maze5 GPU blocks for 8800 series cards. . .

Edit: Sorry, it's the Swiftech MCW60 that has a mounting kit for 8000 series cards:

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I think they have mounting hardware for the Maze5 GPU blocks for 8800 series cards. . .

Edit: Sorry, it's the Swiftech MCW60 that has a mounting kit for 8000 series cards:

Link
Thanks I didnt know there was a add on kit..MCW60
But can you still use the DangerDen Acetal MAZE4 GPU LP with this kit?
    
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