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Is it just me or are computers advancing "Backwards" in a sense?

Before we had giant mainframes that took up entire office floors and they kept getting smaller and smaller.

I even have some old ISA video cards lying around and they're huge and long and very bulky, now I'm starting to realize something.

My 8800GTX is the same size as these old video cards from ancient times...computers aren't getting smaller and cooler, they're getting larger and hotter!

I was looking at the new DDR3 boards coming out with the X38 and whatnot and if you look at them, the Chipset is the same size as the CPU!

I was making the joke that we'll eventually have three Tuniq Towers in our cases just to keep everything cool.

I'm beginning to wonder though...right now people say that Watercooling is moreso a hobby than a requirement, but given all the advances in technology and the increase in heat I'm starting to think that Watercooling is going to be the only viable option.

What do you all think? I may switch to watercooling (Even though I feel uncomfortable putting water inside a computer, call me silly...)
    
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Right now we're in a period of muscle building for computer hardware.

If you look at AMD, they're trying to make things smaller and cooler with their processors. Although they don't really have a choice at this point, with their X2 Athlon architecture being capped out and Intel sitting around making theirs better and better.

I think initial introductions are always going to be big and huge. Look at the first 6800 Ultra, the first Voodoo 5, the 7800GTX, 7900GTX.

As far as cooling, it only gets extreme for people that have extreme goals. 5-7 years ago, it was still a pretty crazy idea to try to hit like 4-5 GHZ. Water was as extreme as it got.

Cooling is only getting crazier, because there are people with huge wallets that want it to be crazy.

Ideal practical performance can be had with subtle cooling. You'd be surprised what you can do with a simple 92mm Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro on a Core 2 Duo and a 7900GS with a VF900/Evercool Turbo on it.
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yeah true

for stock performance air cooling seems to suffice...wondering if that'll ever change hehe
    
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WC will always beat out air..Water is a good medium for heat transfer air is not its as simple as that...Here is some stuff you might like to read if you are interested in WC'ing...

...http://www.overclockers.com/articles223/
Cooling - An In-Depth Look

...http://www.overclockers.com/articles993/
PC Water Coolant Chemistry - Part I

...http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...g-english.html
Water Cooling - In English

...http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...ing-setup.html
Assembling your Custom Water Cooling

...http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...-wc-setup.html
Bleeding my WC setup...

...http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...diators-2.html
Poll: Push or pull configuration for Radiators - Page 2 -

...http://www.overclock.net/faqs/118766...ce-shroud.html
How To: Build A Performance Shroud

...http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...stall-tip.html
D-Tek Fuzion install tip! - (Or why you should clean your new block)...


...http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=140717
Air Flow vs. Water Flow (is more always better?)

...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion
Galvanic corrosion - Wikipedia


EDIT: I forgot to leave you a component cleaning PDF....
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I don't think he was talking about water versus air. I think he was talking about how crazy hardware is getting. We went from hardware being bigger to being smaller/efficient, and now we're back to bigger/hotter.

I remember when the 9700 Pro was claimed because of its small size, great power and low heat dissipation. Now the 2900XT/8800GTX are pretty much heaters strapped into your system and they're both big enough to be a surf board for a midget.

And Core 2 Quads are hot enough to heat a family of poor Eskimo.

I think if anything, the biggest noticeable shift was that 2-3 years ago, cheap water cooling destroyed expensive air cooling. Nowadays, a $60-70 air cooler will blow the pants off a $120-140 water cooling set up.

The bar for water cooling has been pushed up, but I think for the next 10 years, you can expect Water Cooling to offer the best performance per dollar ratio.

For air cooling, you spend $70 and only get about 5-6 lower temps at load versus a $20 Freezer 7 Pro.

But with water cooling, any part you get is exponentially better. You can spend $15 in water and go up to a different class of each product. DDC versus D5, Apogee Gt versus Fuzion.

I think the biggest shift is that air cooling has gotten much better, but I don't really like how hot parts are nowadays. 80c load on a graphics card is atrocious.
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I'm beginning to wonder though...right now people say that Watercooling is moreso a hobby than a requirement, but given all the advances in technology and the increase in heat I'm starting to think that Watercooling is going to be the only viable option.

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Yeah... Intel and the various other corporations behind the PC are not going to get to the point where water is mandatory... That would be utterly stupid.

And this is the high end you are looking at, not the mainstream. The enthusiast market is always a little different.

I do agree that we are going the wrong way with some components though, especially the GPU, which is using over half of our PSUs sometimes, and runs extremely hot.
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Everything is getting smaller relative to the performance the new hardware is producing, the problem is we're always cranking up the speed everytime someting is more efficient, or is that really a problem..

Seems to me eventually we'll at some point reach a time when we just can't procude processors at a smaller architecture, and at that point they'll only get bigger. One thing is for sure, we'll always want it to run twice as fast as before
    
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I was looking at the new DDR3 boards coming out with the X38 and whatnot and if you look at them, the Chipset is the same size as the CPU!
I think the thing to remember with this is that the chipset of today's boards handles a lot more than the chipsets on boards from yesteryears. That and they are running a hell of a lot faster ^_^

As for the GPU temps. . . you have to take into account that GPUs are capable of TERAFLOPS of (insert techy term I have forgotten the name of here), whereas a CPU only runs at the Gigaflop level (and we're talking like 20 Gigaflops for Quad cores or something insanely minimal like that). This is why they run a lot hotter than a CPU.

Oh, and watercooling rox. No doubt. ^_^
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I was making the joke that we'll eventually have three Tuniq Towers in our cases just to keep everything cool.

Why three Towers when Scythe's exxxtravagent full case design does it in one:




  
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